all AMERICAN diesels? [Archive]

ace6879

05-30-2002, 05:25 PM

C'mon guys,

bcdef worked for the Union Pacific remember? (But I can't confirm it or deny it)

I THINK he is foreign. Would explain ALOT...

But it IS fishy you would work for the UP and not know at least SOME of the different classes of locomotive, especially if your a rail buff. Just my opinion.

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henry3

05-30-2002, 06:00 PM

>C'mon guys,
>
> bcdef worked for the Union Pacific remember?

THAT'S RIGHT!!! <thoughful pause> Hmm, he should be telling us about the various models! <eg>

>I THINK he is foreign. Would explain ALOT...

Nah, I have a sneaking suspicion that this joker is a *domestic* product. :(

Henry

KeltikSylk

05-31-2002, 12:06 PM

While I'm not sure it's as much of a religious experience as your post implies, the proliferation of diesel designations for American railroads may not be as extensive as it appears.

"Caution! The following statements are the personal opinion of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of the management or any body who really knows what they are talking about"

Typically, railroaders amd model railroaders don't always use the same nomenclature. Some modelers, connosieurs (wish there was spell check on this thing) of sorts, classify diesels the way biologists classify bird species. They add sub designations to differentiate say, the GP7 that has louvers on the third door from the cab on the left side from the GP7 that has louvers on the fourth, fifth, and sixth doors on the right side. In reality the builder doesn't usually care. They needed louvers on some doors, so they put them there. GM doesn't create a new model line every time they make an engineering change to the Cavalier, if you take my meaning.

Steam locomotives were (and still are) handled a bit different. Because steam was so individualistic splitting hairs was not required. If a steam loco had a feedwater heater, it was usually a Blah Blah-3 with a feedwater heater. Good for us, because otherwise we'd have a different designation for every plumbing change. The only trouble comes from the fact that seperate railroads use the same designation for totally different engines. Pennsy's T and Reading's T are radically different designs. The type name would also change...Berkshire is the commonly accepted "nickname" for a 4-8-4 (I hope, I hope). I think the Lehigh Valley called them Wyomings and the Delaware and Hudson called them Poconos, while the NYC called them Niagras (please, let that be correct). It has to do with a historical perspective in that the Nickel Plate version was the first of her kind...(like Star Trek, where the Enterprise is a "Constitution" class).

So the next time you see SD-40-2-a-b-CY-lz you just have to keep in mind someone was trying not to confuse it with the other SD-40-2 that has the gas cap hidden in the drivers side tail fin,(6) wing mounted 50 caliber machine guns and ventiports on the front fenders. I believe that would be the SD-40-2-Belair-650-P38-Skylark (but only if it's missing the low hood mounted fish aquarium and has dynamic brake housings on the underside of the fuel tank).

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kevarc

05-31-2002, 12:23 PM

Actually the Most common name for the 4-8-4 was northern. The Whythe table lists the different names for the different wheel arrangements. The names you have are northeastern names.

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/misc/wheels.html

Kevin Arceneaux

ace6879

05-31-2002, 12:38 PM

like Star Trek, where the Enterprise is a "Constitution" class

Um...only in the original series. The refit that took place in ST-TMP became the pilot and was called the "Enterprise" class, which held on to ST-TNG, if you recall. the Enterprise NCC-1701-D was the prototype AND flagship, but called a "Galaxy" class. The NCC-1701-B was the Excelsior class, etc.

So even in Star Trek, there are MANY variations of a model!! ;-)

(Sorry guys, I am a Star Trek geek as well-AND DAMN PROUD OF IT!!)

Besides, it has to do with train-Sim......After all, ALL of you icky UP fans KNOW the railroad IS/are the BORG!!!
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KeltikSylk

05-31-2002, 01:02 PM

Arrgh!

I knew I was in for it...

Northern! Pshaw! There are no real railroads west of the Mississippi. They are all branchlines of the mighty mutlitrack mains crisscrossing the Northeast :) (I'm really just kidding, he says, ducking under a desk).

Thank you for correcting me. I was afraid I had the Whyte designation wrong and was going to get lambasted for calling Mountains, Bershires or something...I must actually know some of this stuff.

I also had the feeling I would get whacked after mentioning Star Trek...However, it was a gentle whack. Left just a welt.

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KeltikSylk

05-31-2002, 01:32 PM

By the by...Is there a Website for NALW?

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cjmaclean

05-31-2002, 02:24 PM

@ Kelley:

Then there also was the Enterprise 1701-C which belonged to the Ambassador class, and the Enterprise-E (gorgeous :9 ) is a Sovereign-class vessel :-) .

As for the NALW website, they are here: http://nalw.macfall.com/

HTH!

D.M.

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- Plinius Maior, Naturalis Historia 7,1,5

ace6879

05-31-2002, 02:38 PM

You liked the Enterprise-E? I like it, but it looks "pock marked" to me.

BTW, The new series "Enterprise" kinda gets the story of the starships screwed up if you ever read "Best Destiny" which is the story of young James T. Kirk. In there it says the Enterprise was the FIRST starship.

I MISS the original cast!!! James T. Kirk is my hero!!! ;-)
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jfroth1

05-31-2002, 04:48 PM

"So the next time you see SD-40-2-a-b-CY-lz you just have to keep in mind someone was trying not to confuse it with the other SD-40-2 that has the gas cap hidden in the drivers side tail fin,(6) wing mounted 50 caliber machine guns and ventiports on the front fenders. I believe that would be the SD-40-2-Belair-650-P38-Skylark (but only if it's missing the low hood mounted fish aquarium and has dynamic brake housings on the underside of the fuel tank)."

Amazing, I JUST SAW one that looked EXACTLY like your description. But I really thought it had no dynamic brakes, though it was difficult to see as it whizzed by so I'm not sure. It also seemed to have the aquarium feedwater pump (unique to aquarium-equipped units) mounted diagonally opposite the grille retainer valence...

I absolutely laughed my... well, you know, the southbound end of my northbound...

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bcdef

05-31-2002, 05:37 PM

The only railorads i know of MAJOR ones west of the Mis Sippi is UP, and BNSF!!!
I retired after UP went to diesels.
I loved my steam loco's! It was like she was alive and talking to me saying ' STEAM SHALL RULE DIESEL SHALL DRUEL!!!!!!
So now i pitty the UP cause they are fallin in the pit!!!!!
YES I IDMIT i dont know alot bout diesels cause i TRUELY HATE EM!!!!
STEAM IS MY AREA!!!
As my post getts farther in the anserwers remember I am no ordinary RETIRED AMERICAN STEAM LOCO ENGINEER!!!!!
but every now and then WHENEVER I CAN I drive excursion trains on small excursion roads!!!
so my days of steam driving is not over yet!!!!

America's railroads are among the best in the world!
if we want em to stay like that we better pay tribute!
Railroads help us in time of need even when we dont notice!

GOD BLESS THE AMERICAN RAILROAD

jhilden

05-31-2002, 06:33 PM

bcdef,

Uhh, you still never answered anybody’s earlier posts that were directed to you about your so-called railroad career. Considering you have +200 post on this site and majority of them were “ I want, who’s making, what about, can we get, what’s this, and I drive steam”, how come you never share anything worthwhile that we could enjoy or benefit from? You talk the talk, but never walk the walk. What division(s) or region(s) did you work? What years were you employed? What are the different types of steam you’ve operated? And how dose each differ? What was the best steam loco you ever worked on? What ones were complete pieces of junk? We are all railfans here and would enjoy a good story from someone with so much experience, especially with steam. Until you explain yourself better, you are fooling nobody and come across as an illiterate kid fantasizing. I’m sure most people on this board would agree with me, please talk about you experience, not a poem.

Lastly, I was just wondering. What dose bcdef stand for? Just curious and I do await your Great American Steam DRIVERS Short Story.

Joe Hildenbrand

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ruifonseca

06-01-2002, 09:27 AM

the subject says it all. :)

chucksc

06-01-2002, 10:49 AM

Kelley I personally prefer Voyager....
I have a "thing" for "tin cans"!
7 of 9 WHooooooHooooooooo!
WHat a set of drivers!

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chucksc

06-01-2002, 10:53 AM

Ahem,
IIRC correctly other than excursions the Borg (er UP) shutdown their steamers some 40 years ago... And you claim to be retired from there????? How old were you when you retired?
Seems to me you could be 100 yrs old now! Man that's some great Geritol you are using....
The rest of you leave him alone! The reason he doesn't remember anything is because of his advanced age! He is now having continuous "Sr. Moments"!
ROFLMAO!

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bcdef

06-01-2002, 05:12 PM

as i recall i retired at age 39
well i ran on the UP divisions ALL trough NEBRASKA, some Kansas, Oklahoma, and verry lil TEXAS!!
I ran trains on regular sevice between 1937 to 1949!!
THE BEST loco's i ran was Challenger, Nothern, and Moutains
the worst were Mikes, consolidations, and cartain designs of northerns!! i also have a story!!!
here it goes!!!!

TO Union Pacifc Railorad,

this is one of youre engineers!! I was drivin en route to Kansas City, Kansas from Ohaha, Nebraska and on my way I saw a passenger train looked like a F4 loco with 2 of those B units on a siding on a colaped bridge! Looks like the engines are on the other side of the bridge 3 passenger cars dangling and 5 others ready to give way at any time! The bridge is in verry bad shape could give way and if so the whole train will submerge in the river! I am at milepost 634 bout 30 mile north north east of Kansas City. Looks like the passengers are screeming!!!
Oh MY GOD !!!!! SIR LOOKS LIKE The Bridge gave WAY!!!!!
the passenger cars are sinking!!!! CAll IMERGENCY PERSONEL!!!!!!
( gets out of my train to help ) engineer what happened? " I was driving on a switch so you could pass and all the sidden I heard a snap the splash and screeching of steel on steel!!!!!! So i put on emergency!!!! and then screeming!!! then you came!!!!
I go " dont worry I called UP bout the situation!!!!!!!
( turn around ) OH MY GOD!!!!!! # 346 other engineer says " GET HER OUTA THERE!!!!!!!! ( YELLS TO MY FIREMAN!!! " GET HER UP TO FULL !!!! caboose man " JOSH ( thats me ) # 346 is commin up fast get HER GOIN!!!! torpedos explode!!!!!! WE get to my train and she is gettin wheelslip!!! " SAND SAND!!!!! I go to my CREW ( GET OF THE TRAIN EVERY ONE RUN!!!!!!!!!!! ( MY CREW RUNS AS FAST AS WE CAN AWAY!!!! I YELL AS LOUD AS I CAN TO OTHER TRAIN # 346 " JUMP JUMP NOW!!!!!!! 3 of the 5 crew on board there train jumps!!!!! WE ALL JUMP AWAY FROM THE TRACKS!!! BOOM, HISS, BOOM!!
my train ( freight ) # 346 ( freight ) wrecked!!!!!!
want another story?

America's railroads are among the best in the world!
if we want em to stay like that we better pay tribute!
Railroads help us in time of need even when we dont notice!

GOD BLESS THE AMERICAN RAILROAD

CSX_CW60AC_GregMarck

06-01-2002, 05:42 PM

I dont mean to cap on you bcdef and I really hope that u are what u say you are but I want to make sure.

It seems to me that u'd have to be at least 75, and it doesn’t seem to me like you are. I'm not an expert and I dont know anything about when UP completed dieselization but it was proally around the mid or early 60s, lets say 65.

Now, being 2002, and u were 40 when ur retired in 65, that means your what? 77?.

And, as a quiz, just to be sure, what other RRs where out West in the 50s, and what wars were going on in that time?

BTW, please excuse my spelling and grammer, lol.

Greg Marck
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jhilden

06-01-2002, 05:43 PM

LAST EDITED ON Jun-01-02 AT 05:53PM (EDT)[p]"well i ran on the UP divisions ALL trough NEBRASKA, some Kansas, Oklahoma, and verry lil TEXAS!!
I ran trains on regular sevice between 1937 to 1949!!"

Um, the UP never ran in Texas until it merger with the MP. And it never opertated in Oklahoma until it mergerd/took over the MKT/OKT. I know the MP merger was in the mid 80's. I forget when it took over the MKT/OKT. I know it was a lot later than the MP merger. Way after 1949!

And I'm still waiting for a story that describes what it was like to operate a steam loco. Your story still dosent make sense. The UP did not have a route between Omaha an KC. The MP did. Try again! If you want to continue this converstaion, I started a thread in the GENERAL forum. You'll find it. It has your name on it!

Also, how did you retire from the RR at age 39? I never met or heard of anybody retiring from the railraod at that age. I love to hear your talk about this one!

Joe

fixin2

06-01-2002, 06:58 PM

>I retired after UP went to diesels.
>I loved my steam loco's! It was like she was alive
>and talking to me saying ' STEAM SHALL RULE DIESEL
>SHALL DRUEL!!!!!!

yep, i bet a UP steam engineer who retired at the young age of 65 in 1956 or so, would be using terms such as 'steam shall rule and diesels shall druel.' can see it now, a old head engineer, who hired out in the teens or early 20's, in the 1950's walking to the roundhouse with his new young fireman chanting 'steam rules,' 'steam rules,' diesels drool' and trying to get him to chant along with you 'STEAM SHALL RULE DIESEL SHALL DRUEL!!!!!!'
yes, a memorable sight for those on the road that day. believe it was your last trip before you were subduded and carted off to the funny farm.

>
>As my post getts farther in the anserwers remember I am
>no ordinary RETIRED AMERICAN STEAM LOCO ENGINEER!!!!!
>but every now and then WHENEVER I CAN I drive excursion
>trains on small excursion roads!!!
>
>so my days of steam driving is not over yet!!!!
>
>

okaaaaaay, a former UP steam engineer who 'drives' an engine, ummmm, drives an engine, thats nice, really nice. guess i'll be the former US railroader who points out that you drive a truck, you drive a car, you do not drive an engine here in UP land where his glorious engine service career ended when 'I retired after UP went to diesels.' at least try to get your western US railroading terminology correct. all the steam engineers that i knew who retired when 'the diesels came' are now long gone, passing on in the 60's and 70's, obviously many decades before you were born.

bcdef, as others have mentioned, would you please try posting something useful to this forum instead of this drivel about how much of a UP 'driver' you were and all the other worthless dribble you seem to want to enlighten us with.

ssw_96

06-02-2002, 12:34 AM

OK Mr. bcdef. you have proven yourself a idiot and a liar under these circumstances:
1. UP never ran in Texas at the time you stated that it did
2. You claimed you retired at 39, how old were you when you started because you had to at least have 30 years of service to retire and I doubt you started then you were 9.
3. Your spelling proves otherwise.
4. To live in the US(I guess) you sure promote US diesels like you live in a forign country
5. Name some of the division points in Nebraska, exactly where did you work? And name a major yard.

So until then you are a 13 or 14 year old telling a lie you cant get out of. Come on make it easier on yourself tell the truth.

Son I beleive you been hit in the head with vacuum cleaner attachments too many times.

plainsman

06-02-2002, 12:34 AM

LAST EDITED ON Jun-02-02 AT 00:58AM (EDT)[p]I know, I am piling on, but OK let's do the math.
You retired at age 59 in 1958/ All pretty optimistic extremes. That makes you 103. OK, You say 39, that would be 83. Now you claim that you still "drive" excursion trains. Yes, I can see the attorneys salivating, "excursion train operated by 103 (83)year old engineer, strikes toddler." At 103, the rare few to be around won't likely be seeking RRing jobs, just hoping they have something soft at dinner.
Bob

MKT1972

06-02-2002, 12:53 AM

UP was granted control of the MKT in 1988.

MKT1972

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kevarc

06-02-2002, 02:55 AM

LAST EDITED ON Jun-02-02 AT 02:57AM (EDT)[p]bcdef, your so full of it your eyeballs ought to be brown.

The hotmail, not even your real email.

Let's face it, you are a LIAR.

Kevin Arceneaux

bcdef

06-02-2002, 07:27 PM

Back then railroads let there trains on other rail lines for certain circumstances!!!!
and the Vietnam war was goin?
i think that was the one!!!!
the only rail lines i know of that ran west of the Mis Sippi was Southern Pacific, Burlinton , Northern, Santa Fe, Dever and Rio Grande? , and UP!
and i retired ON PURPUS cause of my wife giving birth to Emily and dieing at birth and i did so bad that i quit and got fired at the same time!
and i worked at Omaha nebraska mostly and sometimes Baily Yard, Northe Platte, Nebraska. AND DONT YOU EVER CALL ME A SON!!!!!
MY CHILDHOOD WAS NOT SO GOOD!
i am not verry used to typeing!!!! my comp is new about 1 year old and i have arteritis! SO DONT YOU EVER DOUBT I DIDNT WORK FOR UNION PACIFIC RAILRAD!!!
i lost 4 members of my family and 2 cousins without being able to say good bye! DAMNED DIESELS!!!!!

America's railroads are among the best in the world!
if we want em to stay like that we better pay tribute!
Railroads help us in time of need even when we dont notice!

GOD BLESS THE AMERICAN RAILROAD

CSXfan7000

06-02-2002, 07:37 PM

What more is there to add to this?

Lets set the record straight, you are not an ex-UP engineer because anyone would know that 844 is a FEF-3 and you didn't. Also, I doubt that you were running to "your Steam locomotive" shouting like a little school girl, if you did I could see a number of men hauling you off before you touched the ladder.

Get a life you young kid.

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bcdef

06-02-2002, 07:41 PM

really want to know what its like to operate steam ok!! LETS HOPE YOU LEARN SOMETHING!!!!
reply and say yes and i will tell you!

America's railroads are among the best in the world!
if we want em to stay like that we better pay tribute!
Railroads help us in time of need even when we dont notice!

GOD BLESS THE AMERICAN RAILROAD

CSXfan7000

06-02-2002, 07:53 PM

Yes, this should be good.

While you are at it, why don't you answer these questions.

What is the correct cutoff to start a heavy excursion train at?
How did Lightweight driving rods improve trainspeed?
and since you run excursions
What is the approx distance that a servicing stop should be made?

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darkfyre

06-02-2002, 08:39 PM

LAST EDITED ON Jun-02-02 AT 08:41PM (EDT)[p]oh, and ALSO while you're at it, want to explain the strange physics that would enable half a train to dangle off a cliff, without sliding off?

And explain how you 'called' UP when there were no radios in the engines back then? Or did you go to a phone booth?

And explain how in the world a steam locomotive would be able to pull its own weight, PLUS the dead weight of another locomotive PLUS all the cars (lets say a few thousand tons) STRAIGHT UP a cliff, without causing harm to the passengers? or snapping the couplers outright when you did such a thing? (or why the couplers didn't snap when the bridge collapsed)?

I showed your post to my mother, and she said '10-year old kid'...
I happen to agree with her..

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BlakeTyner

06-02-2002, 11:11 PM

And just for giggles, what're the first 3 digits of your social security number?

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jhilden

06-03-2002, 01:27 AM

Man, this gets better and better. bcdef, the Vietnam War was in the 60’s and 70’s. Try again. How the heck can you claim to live at that time and forgot about WORLD WAR II. At least do five minutes of research before telling fibs, and don’t say you got the two wars mixed up. My 101 year old great aunt who is suffering from Alzheimer’s wouldn’t make that mistake. Give it up! Everybody knows you are a liar. And if you knew anything about arthritis, you would know it doesn’t effect spelling and literacy, it just slows your typing down. I know people with bad arthritis and they use one finger to type when they have a flare up,. A disease of the joints explains some typos, not the bcdef language you invented. BTW. how old are you really? I’m guessing 8-11.

bcdef

06-03-2002, 03:15 AM

1-put loco in 2- to 30 % throttle and go up the hill ( grade )
if the loco is strong enough you will make it p.s. loose all air between all couplers

2- well the 1st passenger car's boddom was snagged to the broken edge of the bridge

3- yes there were phone booths every now and then for emergency

4- probly the reson the couplers held was cause the passenger cars were ligh weight and that i heard those passenger cars were sent to have a overhall and they were put with frieght car couplers and yes there is a diference on for weight and the other forcomfort!!!

5- well its around 20% thast what i use

6- it helped the cylinder so it wouldnt have touse so much presure to get the wheels to move in GENERAL

7- abd the excursion sevice thing is that for long or short excursion railroads?

8- how to operatea REAL STEAM LOCO! from morning to dusk

" the fire is kept burning through the night. you hop in the cab with youre papers. you put the trottle to 10 % and reverser FULL%. you sart to execerate slowwly out of the yard. you pick up speed and see a northern pass youre mammoth Challenger. As you start going out of the yard you close the Cylinder cocks. Today you are carrying a LOAD of passenger cars set for Denver, Colorado. YOU go out of the yard heading to the station you put the train in neutral adn brakes 12% you stop right in front of the bussy station plat form with lots of passengers boarding about 579 passengersare on adn the conductor yells all aboard.
we are off at 100% throttle 20 % reverser. you put throttle to 20% when you go 1/2 the speed limit you still excelerate slowwly.
we reach the end of the town of North Platte,Nerbaska in whick you took of from THE WORLDS BIGGEST RAILYARD!!! You hit 75mph a record speed as you see all the cornfields of Nebraska race by.
You have to make a stop at a water tower for water. We are off again as we are ahead of time. We see our friend Billy driving his urgent freight past us. We are going into the moutains and a steep hillis in front of us! 30%reverser and 100% throttle! lateely the engineer you turn a valve and you open the firebox doors and see coal shoot in the firebox with steam ( archemedes screw ). You fight youre way up and see Denver station in the distance. the locomotive is in idle and we are just coasting to the station! We apply brakes 25% and stop once again in front of the station!!!

THE END!!!!!

now was that a lie? TRY IT IN TRAIN SIMULATOR!!!!
it may work there due to its only a game!!!!!
any more questions?

America's railroads are among the best in the world!
if we want em to stay like that we better pay tribute!
Railroads help us in time of need even when we dont notice!

GOD BLESS THE AMERICAN RAILROAD

bcdef

06-03-2002, 03:18 AM

I know there is spelling errors!!!

America's railroads are among the best in the world!
if we want em to stay like that we better pay tribute!
Railroads help us in time of need even when we dont notice!

GOD BLESS THE AMERICAN RAILROAD

BlakeTyner

06-03-2002, 05:15 AM

LAST EDITED ON Jun-03-02 AT 05:18AM (EDT)[p]I really hope I don't have that pesky insomnia when I'm older...aging and being on the internet at 3AM just don't mesh.

I digress.

I would suggest you do a teeny, tiny bit of research before you post such a tall tale.

You say you retired from UP as diesel took over steam. That would put us right around the post-war (World War II...I'm 20 and I knew about THAT one!) era. You stated YOURSELF in another post that the year was 1949.

The retarder yard (which is all Bailey Yard was in the beginning) in North Platte was only completed in November of 1948! Besides the fact that until 1995 it was not designated as the "world's largest railyard".

At the time you claim to have been working for UP, Bailey would have been nothing more than the simple retarder yard...and would have only been around for less than a year.

Proof's in the puddin: http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/history/bailey/byhistor.shtml

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*EDIT* And you didn't answer my question about the first three digits of your social security number! I have a logical reason for askin!

jhilden

06-03-2002, 07:19 AM

I need a shovel, the s**t is getting piled high. Lets see, I think the PRR Enola yard was the worlds biggest at the time bcdef is imagining. I might be mistaken, I know the Conway yard took the honors in the 50’s. This is one hell of a world he lived in. Let’s recall the history of what was going on in the 1940’s according to bcdef. The top ten are:

1.North Platte had a huge yard, the worlds largest.

2.The UP ran in Texas and Oklahoma

3.The UP let 39 year olds retire.

4.The Burlington Northern existed.

5.Amazingly there was a war in Vietnam when the country didn’t even exist yet and was a colony of France.

6.The speed records were being made at 75 MPH

7.Phone booths were frequently positioned along the rails (If there was a phone booth, why didn’t Clark Kent show up and save the day, he had a place to change)

8.Some form of the CW6000 existed (Well, he said he was on one when he was real
small).

9 Diesels and only diesels alone kill family members.

10 And lets not forget those amazing trains with the super couplers that defied every law in physics and magically stayed coupled.

About the big crash bcdef described NE of Kansas City. I somehow could not find the incident on any record. It’s kind of odd that a bridge collapses with a passenger train on it, the cars full of passengers go into the river, and there is no documentation of the disaster.
.
Also, I guess bcdef discovered the fountain of youth during his amazing steam DRIVERS career.

And lastly, your right bcdef, your tips on DRIVING a steam locomotive works in MSTS, According to the time you posted, you must of spent all night working on that one. Dose your mother let you stay up this late on a school night?

Joe

kevarc

06-03-2002, 09:12 AM

What date did you mark up? Both fireman's and engineer's?

Kevin Arceneaux

Xacto

06-03-2002, 11:18 AM

I'm not sure why bcdef posts what he does, but I have the feeling his stories are more the result of some mental limitations than an attempt to deceive us or troll the forum. If you ignore the shortcomings of his spelling and grammar and the obvious lack of historical accuracy in his statements, the guy is very passionate about the glory days of steam on the UP. He's very devoted to an era that most kids and even adults think or care very little about. I think it's better that he be fantasizing and obsessing over Challengers and Northerns than be doing the same over assault rifles and the latest FPS game.

He's getting a lot of attention here, more than he deserves, but that may be all he wants. I think that being a kid with some problems and a desire to have been a steam locomotive engineer leaves him with very few friends in his real world. I may be all wrong about this, he may be a very crafty adult playing a joke on us all, but I'll trust my gut feeling. I'm willing to accept him as one of the more "unique" contributers to this forum.

Cliff

plainsman

06-03-2002, 11:38 AM

LAST EDITED ON Jun-03-02 AT 12:30PM (EDT)[p]
When you are a bumbling goofball, it shows. North Platte is not a town with a bustling passenger station, and I doubt ever had 500 plus boarding passengers, probably lucky to have had 15 people board there when it was a passenger stop.
Going west out of North Platte, you do not see a lot of cornfields. Those are in the eastern 2/3 of the state. This is river bottom and more grassland with ranches and cattle, particularly in the days before irrigation was as common.
If you you claim to have operated a twin DDA40X lashup with 175 hoppers (What kind of hoppers were these? This is a trick question BCDEF.) on the UP, you obviously don't understand that locomotive. It's high horsepower was not an attribute for pulling heavy slow coal trains. These were used in Wyoming and Nebraska, where the long open stretches of relatively straight track allowed freight to move very rapidly. The DDA40X is just 2 GP40 units with slightly larger injectors welded together on one frame. The truck style is not meant for hard pulls, and thiis locomotive is MUCH weaker on a pull than the AC4400 for example, which has much less horsepower (CTE for the AC4400 is 145,000 pounds, for the DDA40X about 107,500 pounds). The 6,600 HP was useful to maintain the high track speed, but this unit was not a lugger.
Bob

BTW, Since you lived in Nebraska, where was the "Cowboy Line", and name a few stops along it? Also, describe Ravenna, and what RR had a freight yard there in 1950?

darkfyre

06-03-2002, 02:55 PM

LAST EDITED ON Jun-03-02 AT 03:01PM (EDT)[p]Well, that makes sense, as I've never seen four GP40's able to haul 175 of anything. Perhaps 80, on flat terrain, but not 175.

SD80's, on the other hand..There's a reason why they're called 'Conrail Cadillacs' ;-)

And I don't see how bcdef could have 'driven' them, considering he "retired" from the locomotive industry a couple decades ago..

Perhaps because he got a Congressional Medal of Honor and got to shake hands with the President, for such a heroic and valourous act of dragging a train up a cliff, by 'driving' a locomotive at 30% throttle, and got big hugs and thank-yous from the UP management, and they let him off twenty or so years early?

And, do tell us, bcdef; why such a superhuman feat isn't in the history books?

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concaddy

06-03-2002, 03:01 PM

Did I just see SD80??? The Conrail Cadillac...WWOOOHHHOOOOO!!!!

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darkfyre

06-03-2002, 03:03 PM

LAST EDITED ON Jun-03-02 AT 03:44PM (EDT)[p]Yep, I reckon maybe you did :D

and another thing....

Apparently, bcdef was very serious when he told his stories..However, 'torpedos explode'?

I'm trying not to think 'Star Trek'; but a friend of mine mentioned that on some lines they used to set miniature charges about half a mile apart (not quite sure of the actual distance) in the front and rear of an immobilized train; set to explode at regular intervals, and make a loud 'bang' when a train rolled over them; alerting the approaching engineer that there was a potential wreck ahead.

However, bcdef didn't mention anyone laying those charges...
(the engineer in the wrecked train could have layed them himself, but somehow, for some reason, he didn't?) It would taken a long time, because the fireman would have had to run back and forth, laying them along the tracks..Or did the train have a caboose? In which case, it would've taken a somewhat shorter amount of time, but still, you would have had to run back and forth on foot for miles.

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bcdef

06-03-2002, 04:59 PM

yes there was a caboose and I HATE DIESLES!!!!!!!!
I QUIT CAUSE MY WIFE DIED GIVING BIRTH AND I GOT TICKED CAUSE I HAD TO WAIT FOR A GOD DAMNED DIESEL!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO ANY MORE RUDE COMENTS???
this generation is so stuck up!!!
The wreck probly isnt in any artical cause THE WAR was takin up 2/3 of the newspapers!!!! and cause Up management wanted that wreck to be not known to the public!!!!!!!!

America's railroads are among the best in the world!
if we want em to stay like that we better pay tribute!
Railroads help us in time of need even when we dont notice!

GOD BLESS THE AMERICAN RAILROAD

KCgal83

06-03-2002, 09:00 PM

Yeah... I'm new to the board... My fiancee is BlakeTyner... I'm sure many of you know him.. he's a train geek, but that's fine by me... He told me about bcdef and I found it quite humorous... I mean... the whole deal. Sounds like a kid to me... or an elderly person going senile or something... but I'm not gonna diss anyone. Maybe it's just some kid with an overactive imagination... who knows? Only him, I guess. Anyways... I'm out. I should be posting fairly regularly. Deuces!

~*Jenn*~

ge44tonner

06-03-2002, 09:25 PM

LAST EDITED ON Jun-03-02 AT 09:43PM (EDT)[p]BCDEF writes a fanciful and entertaining story. There might be some small bits of history or fact contained in the story.
There really are such things as 'Torpedos' on the railroad. They are small packets of gunpowder, or something similar to gunpowder, about the size of a teabag wrapped in metal foil with tabs or spring clips to hold it on top of the railhead. They are intended to be placed by a flagman as an additional warning device, for example if protecting the rear of a stopped train from being hit by a following train. Supposed to be placed a full mile back from the stopped train, so the flagman had a long walk. The idea is that they will explode when a locomotive runs over them, making a loud 'bang' similar to firing a shotgun. They also tend to throw bits of metal, so don't stand too close if you are flagging. Most cabooses had a metal storage box or rack to hold a half dozen or so ready for use.
Torpedos are very little used nowadays, both because there are very few cabooses with very few flagmen, and because train radio, automatic signals and track warrants have diminished the need for flagging. Been several years since I have seen one anywhere except a museum.
I found it interesting that he talks about handling the throttle, the reverser, and the air brakes in terms of 'percent', which is what MSTS does. In real-world American railroading, I always heard the throttle and reverser handled in 'notches', (or on a diesel, in 'run', like 'Run 8' for wide open) and the air brakes were handled in 'pounds' of pressure.

joha107

06-03-2002, 09:27 PM

wow, hehe. bcdef, what in the hell are you smokin? answer a couple questions for me bcdef, please.

1. what did the diesel have to do with any of your so called tragedies?

2. what person that is as old as you claim you are, would be up after midnight?

3. you still haven't explained how you can run steam locomotives, but be around an AC6000 when you were little, so how is that possible?

4. how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

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joe

plainsman

06-04-2002, 12:30 AM

BCDEF pulls up to a busy Nebraska station to load 600 passengers.
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lnghairedwizard

06-04-2002, 02:20 AM

Or how bout this question?

How many Boards would the Mongols hoard,...if the Mongol Hordes got bored?

LHW

KeltikSylk

06-04-2002, 08:30 AM

I'm not sure yet if I should laugh or cry...

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KeltikSylk

06-04-2002, 08:36 AM

Just thought I would reply to your post. Everybody else seems to have missed it :D

Are these those little industrial gas-electric loco's? I think I remember some plans back in Model Railroader (way back). They only part I can visualize is the front grille with the word WHITCOMB across the top.

Small is good, at least you didn't take on the Pennsy for your first project (I'm assuming this is your first).

Got any screen dumps of the little guy?

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gxm149

06-04-2002, 09:16 AM

Personally I think the majority of this post is just plain pathetic. I mean who really cares, is it all that important. If you don't feel bcdef's question was worth answering then just don't answer it. Don't jump all over the guy. I mean all he did was ask a question, it's not like he anounced a vaporware project or something. I mean there are more important things in life than sitting here criticizing him for that in this forum.

HAC

06-04-2002, 09:33 AM

I've always heard brake applications quoted in pounds, and most of the steam hoggers I know use inches for the reverser and notches or inches for the throttle.

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bcdef

06-04-2002, 02:10 PM

I have alwayed lived in nebraska and yes some stations have qute abit of passengers.

i stayed up because i couldnt get to sleep ( my neighbors jammed there music boxes) !!!!!!

I use the MSTS ways of percent cause you guys couldnt of nown about this stuff we had on railroads in the 40's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

when i said I WAS ON A CW6000 my NEIGHBORS SON WAS cause i had to baby sit ( and yes i am not that old!!!) and he loved it but i told him that one story!!!!!!!

America's railroads are among the best in the world!
if we want em to stay like that we better pay tribute!
Railroads help us in time of need even when we dont notice!

GOD BLESS THE AMERICAN RAILROAD

CSX_CW60AC_GregMarck

06-04-2002, 03:25 PM

LAST EDITED ON Jun-04-02 AT 03:27PM (EDT)[p]bcdef, I wanna help you out, follow these 3 steps and you may get along better our community.

1. Stick with the same story, if you keep changing it more people wont believe you

2. Tell the truth, honesty always works the best

3. Dont post non sense, instead of asking people how much different diesels there are look it up, you'll find more news, and you'll get into the trains more.

BTW, if anyone wants to contact me in person e-mail me at the address listed below or IM me on AIM

(screen name is Ihavenoclue4 )

Greg Marck
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fixin2

06-04-2002, 03:45 PM

agree with xacto's post 41 in this thread. am unsure why the original poster doggedly stays with the illusion of thinking or believing that he was or is a union pacific steam locomotive engineer. think that this possibly is the result of the original posters desire to reach out and be accepted that has went wrong, probably terribly wrong.

what follows is a small bit of information for the list so if this happens again, a few pointers to help identify someone who is 'pulling your leg.' (trying to put it as diplomatically as i can) so here are a few points to remember about union pacific steam engine 'drivers', or for that matter most western US railroad locomotive engineers. remember am refering to large western US railroads, union pacific, western pacific, southern pacific, great northern, northern pacific, cnw, drgw, mp, t&p, sp&s, c&s, fw&d, milw, cb&q and the multitude of others that the original poster could not name when queried.

first you can not hire out until you are 21 (20 1/2 on some roads), you hire out as a fireman, after 15 or so years (probably closer to 17 or so)of being a fireman you will be told that you are in line to be promoted to engineer. after studying your rear off you will be tested. if you pass, you now have another seniority date to go with your firemans seniority date and that is your engineers seniority date. you are now a promoted engineer but not 'set up', again your senority rules this. after being promoted can now 'drive' an engine and get paid for it. when they run out of rested engineers they will go to the firemans seniority list and get the oldest, rested, promoted, fireman to use. this is called an emergency trip. after a while senority will allow you to be 'set up' to be a full time engineer, again starting over on all the bad jobs that you had to work as a fireman when you first hired out, the night jobs, the switch engines, the way freights, the locals, etc. execpt now you are 'driving' the engine instead of firing it.

so by using the above we can see that a man who ran the big boys from 1937 to 1949 did not just hire out and start 'driving' the engine. would of possibly taken 25+ years of senority to 'drive' any main line freight steam engines. will let you do the math. also here in the US engineers do not 'drive' the engine. they, of course do in the uk and other parts of the world, as they are called drivers. this is where this game/sim was created, this is the term that was used, and rightly so considering the authors/creators location. the US term, have seen it refered to in a few posts on this list and it is refered to on the TA site, in some earlier ESE postings, and of course it is mentioned at the top of this paragraph.

hope this answers a question or two and helps to prevent the next poster from trying to bamboozle the list with outright falsehoods. although in the original posters responces there is a bit of accuracy, the torpedos reference is correct and also the telephones were correct. so he has done some research. which he should be complemented for, as xacto eloquently mentioned in his post.

a disclaimer here, this is not all encompassing of all north american or specificaly US railroads nor does it cover all the steam era timeframe. back in the 1890's early 1900's, for example, you could be promoted to engineer in as little as 6-7 years after hiring out as a fireman. this of course when the railroads were expanding almost at an expontential rate and obviously needed engineers. of course all of this is now null and void as of when they got rid of the firemen in 1964. this method of getting engineers still held true in the diesel era until the firemen were gone.

hope i was able to shed a bit light on this issue.

and yes happy first anniversary release date for msts. one year ago in denver the son and i spent that first saturday in june driving all over the metro trying to latch on to a copy. ($45.00)
been alot of improvements in this year, a hearty thank you to all the route guys, engine and car builders, the repainters, the utility writers, and all the rest. you've taken what i called a broken product and made it come alive.

ssw

06-04-2002, 06:58 PM

LAST EDITED ON Jun-04-02 AT 07:06PM (EDT)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jun-04-02 AT 07:01*PM (EDT)

>
>like Star Trek, where the Enterprise
>is a "Constitution" class

>if you recall. the Enterprise
>NCC-1701-D was the prototype AND
>flagship, but called a "Galaxy"
>class. The NCC-1701-B was the
>Excelsior class, etc.

Uhhh Kelley?
One Star Trek geek to another.
NCC-1701-E, USS Enterprise was a soverign (sp?)class.
Wonder what 1701-F will be?
SO! We have
Constitution
Excelcior
Ambassador(had to look that one up)(or I could have just looked up one!)
Galaxy
Soverign

>Besides, it has to do with
>train-Sim......After all, ALL of you
>icky UP fans KNOW the
>railroad IS/are the BORG!!!

As Dick Davidson would say:
"I am Davidson of Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is Futile. :-)

ssw

06-04-2002, 07:20 PM

>And, as a quiz, just to
>be sure, what other RRs
>where out West in the
>50s, and what wars were
>going on in that time?

I'm not BCDEF,I'm only 17, but even I can do this

Northern Pacific; Great Northern; Spokane, Portland and Seattle; Chicago Minneapolis St. Paul and Omaha; The Chicago, Milwaukee St. Paul and Pacific, Santa Fe, Cotton Belt, UP, Southern Pacific, MKT, MOP, Western Pacific; Minneapolis, St. Paul and Sault Ste. Marie (SOO); Denver & Rio Grande Western, Colorado and Southern; Fort Worth and Denver; Texas Central; Chicago Burlington and Quincy, and a few I've probably forgotten.

andrew510

09-02-2002, 12:42 AM

a list.

pa/pb-4

pa/pb-2

pa/pb-1

dash-9

dash-8

dash-7

sd-7

sd-9

sd-18?

sd-24

sd-40-2

sd40

sd-45

sd-45-2

sd-50

sd-60m

sd-60mac

sd-60

sd-70m

sd-70mac

sd90m

sd90mac

gp-7

gp-9

gp-11

gp-18

gp-20

gp-30

gp-35

gp-38-2

gp38

gp-38ac

gp-39

gp-40

gp-40mc

gp-40wh

gp-49

gp-50

gp-60m

gp-60

mp15

gp-15

fta

ftb

f2a

f2b

f3a

f3b

fp10

f7a

f7b

fl9

f9a

fp9

f9b

fp2?

fp3?

fp7

ea

eb

e1a

e1b

e2b

e2a

e3a

e3b

e5b

e5a

e7a

e7b

e9a

e9b

e8b

e8a

rs1, rs2 ,rs3

rs11, rs18

fa/fb 1, 2, 3, 4

f40ph, f59ph, fp45, f45

f59phi, f69phm

genisis p42, p40, p32ac-dm

u 25, 23, 18, 30, 33

c30-7cg

vo1000

cf7

swblw "bleep"

sw1200

sw1500

m10000?, m10001, m10002, m10003, m10004, m10005, m10006

cb&q zepher

mk12000, mk15000

sw600, sw900

ac4400cw, ac6000cw

lrc(canadia)

i dont know if this is complete.

pacmancreator

11-24-2002, 03:38 PM

hmmm if you are somewhere in the vicinity of 80 years old, how does your mother die a few months ago? percent?????? who the h*ll uses percents in their trains????? did your wife and kids who yo unever have had die by getting run over by a train while playing on your swingset?

today i was sick and i missed a band concert and i was in a pretty bad mood. but now after reading bcdef's romance novel stories, i'm laughing my a$$ off!

oh wait! your mother could not have been killed because she was telling you about what hippies were like! strange thing is, if you are as old as you say you were, how could you not have known about hippes?

oh wait, so this prooves once and for all that you were lying! try and think of an excuse to weasel out of this one! I wonder what it will be? "My steam engine that i never had suddenly opened up a vortex in the space-time continueum and i skipped from the 40's directly to 2002!"

-Creating Pac-Man comics for the humorless people out there

the search for the perfect route continues!

ge44tonner

11-24-2002, 05:52 PM

Hey Matt,
I'm a bit curious how this thread resurfaced from last summer. I remember it from the time, and it was very entertaining to re-read. Did you perhaps search the archives for posts by bcdef? I think the concensus at the time was, as Cliff Xacto eloquently stated, that bcdef is a pre-teen with a passion for big steam, and who was rather clumsily trying to fit in.
Bcdef seems to have cleaned up his act from then, and the tall tales have subsided. He even managed some real contribution, and I recall managed to upload an activity to the file library. His more recent posts about Hippies, or seeking a tye-dyed locomotive livery, are still entertaining.
Anyway, the issues and the tall tales from last summer have been resolved to everyones satisfaction, he seems to have grown a bit, and I would suggest to give the kid a break.
Dan

Interborough

11-24-2002, 06:03 PM

>I know there is spelling errors!!!
...and grammer. I'm taking a grammer skills class, and we are doing subject-verb agreement. In the above sentance, "is" should be "are" because of the plural noun "errors."

pacmancreator

11-24-2002, 07:12 PM

oh. um. oops. uh...

I was trying to find out what happened as far as his swingset being run over by the UP. (by the way-does anyone know what happened what with his swingset and all?)

I knew (seriously-no B.S.) that he was a teen...it was obvious. i was trying to get him to admit it.

um. yeah. sorry if i bothered or irritated anyone else. :-(

-Creating Pac-Man comics for the humorless people out there

the search for the perfect route continues!

CPR_Malice_96th

11-24-2002, 07:15 PM

bcdef isn't the swingset guy

That guy doesn't post anymore !!

Later

PS: Was kinda cool to see this post again actually

darkfyre

11-25-2002, 01:24 AM

Hmm..talk about a blast from the past..

I had completely forgotten about this :P

And perhaps I'll go back to using the following smiley..

http://216.40.249.192/mysmilies/contrib/edoom/Thinkingof_.gif

sstyrnol

11-25-2002, 02:31 AM

>
>like Star Trek, where the Enterprise is a "Constitution"
>class
>
>
>Um...only in the original series. The refit that took place
>in ST-TMP became the pilot and was called the "Enterprise"
>class, which held on to ST-TNG, if you recall. the
>Enterprise NCC-1701-D was the prototype AND flagship, but
>called a "Galaxy" class. The NCC-1701-B was the Excelsior
>class, etc.
>
>So even in Star Trek, there are MANY variations of a model!!
>;-)
>
>(Sorry guys, I am a Star Trek geek as well-AND DAMN PROUD OF
>IT!!)

Are you sure about that! I'm pretty well sure, that there is in one episode of TNG a USS Galaxy mentioned. It explodes due to a system failure...

My fault... I watched every damn episode of startrek (when i was younger though...) Now I grew older and now I am playing with trains. Now that's what I call progress!!!!

Cheers,

Sebastian

---
24 yrs old German railfan

Magick_maker

11-26-2002, 08:41 PM

totally off the subject, but that's an E on your marquee right?

And anogher off subject point. I saw a pick somewhere of a G1/2. Heh. Seems that PRR had an accident with one of their GG1's and cut it in half...or a little more than half , stuck a back up light and diaphram on the back (with coupler) and continued to use it. Now that is STRANGE!

Magick_maker

11-26-2002, 09:13 PM

Ok, where shall I begin. Normally I wouldn't get into this, but somehow I can't help it.

1.- Ah, wrong. First you need to take out the slack or you're asking for trouble. The brits and their screw couplers don't have to do that as much, but the physics of a moving train is enough to snap a coupler if you don't take out the slack. Use position 1 for that. You won't move far, but you'll at least not break a coupler and have to face the conductor to explain what happened.

2,4- In the early days of railroading until just recently, passenger cars had the same couplers that freight trains had. (now, most use pocket couplers which prevent anticlimbing) These couplers were stressed to prevent breaking yes, but there is no way in hades that they would withstand the pressure of holding a car suspended in the air.

8- Technical misses:

1.- You can't actually put a modern US steam engine in neutral. Even on down grades, you end up with dry steam in the cylinders and it does bad things to the bearings. Most us steam engines had a "Drift" lever. It allowed the locomotive to drift into a station or downgrade without doing damage. It was also used when coming into a station.

2.-Cylinder chocks should be closed after your wheels make one rotation. By that time your pistons will have made four full strokes and cleared the water (if priming has occured) from the cylinders. Any longer and you're just wasting steam.

3.-Road speed for passenger steamers was rarely over sixty. While there are a few trains that outclipped this speed, it was considered dangerous for the larger steamers to do it. Banked curves later fixed this.

4.-Also, most railroads preferred their engineers to not go under 25 percent cut off to ease the wear on the components.

5.- Most US railroads called the "reverser" the "Cut Off"

6.- We like to think the challengers were passenger locomotives, and while it is true they were pressed into service every so often; that's not what they were built for. The Challengers were built as a FREIGHT locomotive. UP knew in the 30's that they needed to speed up their freight service to compete with other railroads. The challenger was this answer.

Most challengers were withdrawn from service around the mid fifties. The last having been built in 47. UP did press 6 into passenger service, but all of these were OIL burners. In their early life (30's) they may have burned coal, but eventualy they would have been converted to the better burning oil.

It's worthy to note that UP wasn't the only rr that used challengers. While they are the most recognizable railroad, Northern Pacific, Clinchfield RR, and even the D&RGW had challengers. Though, the NP ones were larger than the UP's due to the fact they burned a lower quality coal. Their firebox needed to be bigger.