Blighton-Treston Park,Signal Problem

[Arthur Half]

I am having problems with a signal stuck on red just before the tunnel that leads to Treston Park.I get fed up waiting at 5 minutes for it too change so pass it at red just to finish route.Any ideas how to cure problem please.
Regards,
Arthur

[Stooopid_person]

>I am having problems with a signal stuck on red just before
>the tunnel that leads to Treston Park.I get fed up waiting
>at 5 minutes for it too change so pass it at red just to
>finish route.Any ideas how to cure problem please.

Is this the 465 delay route? I had this problem as well , so I just passed it.

[Arthur Half]

Thats the one,good to know I am not the only one then

[smile2evan]

Could you please inform me where to download the route you mention?

Thank you

Smile2evan :)

[Stooopid_person]

>Could you please inform me where to download the route you
>mention?

It was at TrainSimCentral.

[smile2evan]

Sorry, I have just realised that you are talking about the southern route. I also have the same problem and I waited for more than 5 minutes before the red TP05 signal and then passed it to enter Trescot Park and finish the route heavily delayed (20 minutes)...!!! How could this be fixed?

Smile2evan :)

[Stooopid_person]

>and finish the route heavily
>delayed (20 minutes)...!!!

Well, the route file was Heavy Delay Day anyway!

[tube_dude]

Mabye the red signal is because it is a DELAY route anyway and also I think some routes have signals that change on approach at a certain distance, or am i a perfect timer ;)

[chris_rogers]

I think you may be stopped at the red signal waiting in vain...

IIRC, on some runs, this signal is a position light signal - there are two white lights in a sort of triangular box on the post illuminated - this is used to signal your train into the platform roads to couple-up with a train already occupying part of that road. In this case, the main signal will never clear.

When you SPAD and enter the station, do you draw up to the buffers or is there another unit in front of you? If you're up to the buffers, I am talking about something else...

Hope this helps

[John O]

What you may be experiencing here is a calling on signal. This is when you are going to enter a platform with another train in it.

Here there should be a signal with two white lights next to the 4 aspects (like a ground signal) that should light up two diagonal white lights before entering. This informs the driver he's going to have to pull up in front of another train and he's then passed to pass the signal at danger.

I see now Chris Rogers just beat me to it ;)

John
http://www.rwysnd.btinternet.co.uk

[Wulf_9]

Hi John,

You made it in here at last ;)

Ciao

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[Piccadilly_Line]

Yep, glad to see you DT :).

If the theory with the calling on signal fails, were you running exceptionally early?

--
Tom Beevers
http://brj.rr.nu

[Arthur Half]

Thanks for the replies,sure answer must be amonst them or I should just learn to be a bit more patient and go and make a cup of coffee,watch Eastenders,wash the car....................Whilst waiting for signal to change.
Cheers,
Arthur:-)

[RailRide]

Um, has anyone looked at the code for this signal?

Does BVE even have a provision to set a signal that just stays red for an eternity?

This was an issue when the Southern route was first released. Apparently some folks found a solution, but as far as I know, it has yet to be implemented in the official download.

Might it have something to do with a "pretrain" command? I seem to remember that you can place a "phantom" train a certain distance ahead of you, so it's presence can affect the signals ou see ahead of you. This is (I think) used on many London Underground routes, where a red signal clears to green as you approach the end of a platform, (or if you run too fast, you'll encounter red signals as well.)

One potential problem is if you do not provide a place for the virtual train to disappear to at the last station, the final signal will never clear, if I remember correctly.

---PCJ

[etjason]

Yes you can have the forever red, Mackoy warns about that in his translation that if you set the signals up in such a way at the end of the line if the lead train has nowhere to go your signal will be forever red.

The other thing I remember is that some of the delayed routes that are out there (and I think this is one of them) uses BRR commands ans was went to be runn through the BRR program to set the signals correctly. I never tried this route but so i can't be sure. There was discussion of this on the old forum

Jason

Pasted from mackoys site.

Track.Signal Number; Label; X; Y; Type (informality: Track.Sig )
The color light traffic light is installed.
Number: The number of aspects (2: 2 light systems of Y and R, -2: 2 light systems of G and R, 4: 4 light systems which have the YY, -4: 4 light systems which have the YG)
Label: Bill under traffic light
X: Position of X direction of panel first section [ m ]
Y: Position of Y direction of panel first section [ m ] (0: Non- indication, -1: Pillar attachment)
Type: Type { 1: Block signal | 2: Entering signal | 3: Leaving signal }
* The X when = 0, Y = it sets to -1, just blockade it makes. The ATS -> at at the time and the like of the ATC, the fact that the last traffic light becomes permanently the danger signal is prevented.

[Stooopid_person]

>This is (I think) used on
>many London Underground routes, where a red signal clears to
>green as you approach the end of a platform, (or if you run
>too fast, you'll encounter red signals as well.)

It is in the .signal (and the .sta command I think) command and it does not use the .pretrain command.

[chris_rogers]

OK, then. Here's a puzzler.

How do you provide somewhere for the previous train to disappear to?

Is it as simple has having more than one platform at the terminus, or do you need to continue the line for a certain distance?

Just a thought, and something I may need to address in these final stages of Moorfield-Hammerwich.

Any help, guys?

Cheers.

[John O]

Try putting a signal to respresent the buffer stops out of view.

John

[Stooopid_person]

>Try putting a signal to respresent the buffer stops out of
>view.
>
>John

If you put the signal as -2, it will stay green.

[SteveGreen]

The routes are going to be re-released anyway, and my apologies for never getting around to uploading a fix for the red signal problem on the original class 465 route file.

73350 @signal(2,,0,-30)

should be added to the route file text, just make sure that the signal before isn't meant to be red.. as mentioned above, some of the SR route files have calling on signals there, which you pass the red signal anyway.

Sorry I didn't reply sooner, various excuses apply :(


Cheers
Steve
www.trainsimcentral.co.uk
www.bvetrains.co.uk

[Wulf_9]

Wow you're still alive :o

Nice to see ya m8!

Ciao

Saxon Locomotive Works - "The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer"

http://www.zodiac-infosystems.co.uk/rail/bve

[RailRide]

> 73350 @signal(2,,0,-30)
>
>should be added to the route file text, just make sure that
>the signal before isn't meant to be red..

Did as suggested, then ran the route. Unfortunatley, that was 2 hours ago and signal TP05 (line 72501) is still red :)

There is a signal TP04 at line 72876. Perhaps the above fix affects this signal and not the TP05?

---PCJ