rchgck, Thanks much for the url for Youngstown history. It is a most interesting read describing well the management greed that finally led to unionization overreacting with their demands after decades of fiscal abuse and general mistreatment of the workforce. A real catastrophe for all involved. I remember a train trip and a January night in 1941 when we passed by some open hearth furnaces that were going full blast. What a sight for an eight year old from Minneapolis; it is still burned in my memory. Thanks again and best regards. Jack Decker (JackD)