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    Dead MSTS Install Disc 2 has failed

    After countless reinstalls since 2002, disc #2 has failed. I've tried it on 4 different CD/DVD drives to no avail. Disc 1 copied fine. All the drives, I can see the file structure in Explorer, but they won't copy.

    I have working install on another computer, is there a way to get the registry entries copied to another computer?

    Regards
    Hank
    Newark, DE

    #2
    What OS have you?
    Under Win10 you can copy the complete CD's or DVD on a temp. drive and start the .exe form drive.
    I hope, the Community can understand my posts.

    Michael

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      #3
      Originally posted by Signalmaster View Post
      After countless reinstalls since 2002, disc #2 has failed. I've tried it on 4 different CD/DVD drives to no avail. Disc 1 copied fine. All the drives, I can see the file structure in Explorer, but they won't copy.

      I have working install on another computer, is there a way to get the registry entries copied to another computer?

      Regards
      Hank
      Newark, DE
      This may help, in the library >>> reg-aid.zip

      Also there have been numerous threads ( some very recent ) concerning the MSTS registry entries.
      Cheers, Gerry
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        #4
        Hi,
        I don't think the problem with CD2 has anything to do with the Registry. In Sept 2015, Microsoft issued updates for Vista, Win 7, Win 8/8.1 and Win 10 which, in effect disabled secdrv.sys, an anti-piracy copy protection that was (?is) used by many games and other software, which uses the SafeDisc system (SecureDisc/SecureRom). It is used on CD2.

        For all but Win 10, it is possible to re-enable secdrv.sys, but it's a complete no-no with 'normal' Win 10! There was a way, using a third-party program ( Driver Signature Enforcement Overrider tool ) to get Win 10 to play ball. It did work originally, but when I tried it recently, it didn't.

        Cheers,
        Ged

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          #5
          Just a thought with respect to copying the disc -- if you have access to a Windows XP (ideal choice) or Win 7 install disc, you could create a virtual machine which could read the disc from your physical drive in order to make a copy as a file folder. The copy could be moved to your physical machine when it's done. VirtualBox is a full-featured free open-source virtual machine host which works on the desktop just like VMware. It takes a little time to set up the virtual XP machine and the tools which allow for copy/pasting files between it and your host machine, but once that's done it's fairly easy to work with.
          MSTS-Roundhouse (Technical Difficulties, Please Stand By)

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            #6
            Thank you for the replies. Until today, the install discs have installed perfectly on both my Windows 7 and Windows 10 systems with the sim running on both. Trying to copy the discs to the HD, disc 1 copied fine, disc 2 hung up. This was just a copy operation, not install, because the install failed with disc 2. Following some of the tips in other threads, I tried to copy them. With disc 2, the file explorer shows the files as "ghost" icons, starts the copy and promptly stops with drive arm flailing around. The copy dialog indicates 38 hours to finish. I washed the disc off, that didn't help. I'm sure the hidden message here is to start learning OR sim and editor. Finding a 240+ page manual, sheesh. And that's not including the editor.

            Hank
            Newark, DE

            Oops, someone must have tossed my off the "OR Supporter" logo list, just noticed that.

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              #7
              Perhaps consider purchasing the game via eBay, Amazon, or some other source?

              Desperate times calls for desperate measures, sometimes.

              ORTS is still a ways off from being ready for "prime time"... and like you, I would dread starting all over being totally dependent on ORTS and TSRE5.

              Best to 'ya whatever you decide.
              Andre Ming
              V Scale Creations.com R.I.P

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                #8
                Buying a replacement set of discs probably won't help, if they have Securom etc. as the copy protection.

                Somewhat ironic, that in a misplaced security gesture MS end up nerfing their own games - apparently Freelancer (their 2003 space sim/adventure) has the same issue and can no longer be installed from disc. It's a shame whoever now owns the rights to MSTS couldn't be persuaded to put the game on Steam, so it could be purchased and downloaded for a modest price.
                Vern.

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                  #9
                  Hi,Andre

                  I had my order for MSTS in to the local mall electronics store (Electronics Boutique..remember them?) before it was even on the shelves. I have it running on Windows 7 and 10 laptops. But my desktop with 7 Pro that ran circles in performance around the laptops the OS broke. It would no longer take updates and just finally stopped running. I ran tests that told me the hardware was fine, so the choice; reinstall 7 or upgrade to 10. Installing the Win 10 upgrade would leave all the software intact, or so it was said. Figuring the Win7 system ran MSTS with no problems, I thought with the same hardware it would run with Win 10....WRONG!

                  Using the shortcut to start the sim, the window opens on the desktop, then disappears. I thought a reinstall would fix the problem, that's when I ran into the broken install disc 2. As mentioned, I copied disc 1 to HD, but 2 wouldn't copy.

                  Regards,
                  Hank
                  Newark, DE

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                    #10
                    I suggest making a copy of the MSTS installation on either the Win 10 or Win 7 laptop, and then add that to your desktop. If you have MSTS Manager which comes with Conbuilder you can generate the required registry entries as well. Route Riter can do that as well.

                    FWIW, I upgraded my Win7 desktop to Win 10 and all existing programs were fine.
                    Beer is not a matter of life or death, it is much more serious than that.

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                      #11
                      and like you, I would dread starting all over being totally dependent on ORTS and TSRE5.

                      In this world, there are doers and there are dreaders. The people who are doers picked up that Open Rails manual 5 years ago, before all the additional features came along that expanded that manual to it's current size of 240 pages. And they have about a 5 year jumpstart on you.

                      There are certain people with whom Open Rails will never reach 'ready for prime time' status. That is because they have personal side investment in some alternative situation.

                      What saddens me, Hank, is your expertise in signals is a major reason you should be up to speed on all the platforms. So when Open Rails adds any new features beyond what MSTS signal scripting can do, you should be to a point in your own personal understanding where you can create additional products for the Open Rails users so they can take advantage of those new features. If you don't, then what Open Rails user would find your signal packages all that useful? Nobody wants to see your talent die alongside MSTS.

                      Be a doer, not a dreader.

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                        #12
                        No dread Hank . . . I picked up OR 3 years ago and it's been and continues to be a wonderful ride. TSRE was a bit of a chore to begin with 2 years back but it now is meeting my standards for proper route editing . . . and it has many new features too! I was sort of forced into using it but I have absolutely no regrets at having to give up the MSRE, it being unable to do ANY sort of editing of the PRR East route.

                        The new flavor of the PRR has a downside . . . MSTS will not run the route at all. I have decided not to waste time trying to figure out what is wrong so it like the LIRR is going to be released as an Open Rails Mini install.

                        The trick to mastering TSRE is for you to install it (easy) and read the available verbage (not very much yet) and generate a simple one tile route. That used-to-be horrible chore with MSTS took me 20 minutes the first time I tried it to generate a pool table flat test route. I played around with that for about a month (should have been longer) untile I began using it to finish up the LIRR beta.
                        I've had many productive go-arounds with the TSRE author who IS receptive to requests, bitches and suggestions and it's a real joy using an editor that can operate as a normal program. MSTS certainly cannot any longer.

                        best regards,
                        ............Vince ..............
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                        ...... Eschew Obsfucation ......

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                          #13
                          You make a lot of assumptions there, sidewinder. I'll be "doer" with OR when I'm ready to. Until then, I'm quite satisfied with my approach to the hobby.
                          Andre Ming
                          V Scale Creations.com R.I.P

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Coonskin View Post
                            You make a lot of assumptions there, sidewinder. I'll be "doer" with OR when I'm ready to. Until then, I'm quite satisfied with my approach to the hobby.
                            My sentiments exactly, Andre. OR is nice but it's still a work n process and MSTS is still a viable option.
                            Larry Steiner
                            Grand Rapids, Michigan

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                              #15
                              Why did a reinstall of MSTS work after I reset my windows 10 OP back in February of this year? Had to reset Windows 10 after after computer refused to boot. I reinstalled MSTS from disks that I've owned since 2001.
                              Seems like a fresh reset of windows 10 would have disabled secdrv.sys as well and prevented Disc 2 from loading.

                              Mark

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