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    Coupling Problem w/Bin 1.6.1

    Has anyone else had the problem of the rear coupler sticking on most any loco when using the Bin 1.6.1 patch? I have noticed that it takes several clicks to uncouple and sometimes it won't uncouple at all. It's always the car or engine directly behind the lead loco. One or more cars or engines away and there is no problem. I have tested this on several engines and in different routes and get the same results. I like the front coupler finally being able to work with crashes.

    Regards,
    Pinpuller
    Regards, Pinpuller

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    UN Coupling Problem w/Bin 1.6.1

    Try this:

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    Download, unzip, read readme, try it, give feedback good or bad.
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      #3
      RE: UN Coupling Problem w/Bin 1.6.1

      Thanks Jim, I used the 1102 and it works great! I tried it in all sorts of engine configurations and it works like a breeze. What a pleasure to have the couplers perform as they should. One more step to realism.

      Thanks again and best regards,
      Pinpuller
      Regards, Pinpuller

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        #4
        RE: UN Coupling Problem w/Bin 1.6.1

        I'm posting to get a confirmation with the couplers and the Bin patch. I'm upgrading my fleet to Otto's mpk3 coupler standards. I noticed that the engines use two coupler regions but the cars only use one. Will the difference in the two styles effect the performance of the couplers in the sim? Should I add a second coupler region to the railcars to match the engines? It would not be difficult to do I just want to make sure I do the right thing as we are talking a lot of cars. So far things seem to be working well but it doesn't hurt to double check.
        Bill
        Rule of The Day: 147.7.16.B
        When all previously LISTED Trainhandling braking methods fail to produce desired results......JUMP!!!! Either way it's gonna hurt.

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          #5
          RE: UN Coupling Problem w/Bin 1.6.1

          All of the below refers to MSTSBin:

          Jim Ward's ( Sniper ) hack to the default.wag file aids the sticky couplers. I use a slightly different one that sets the coupling speed just a bit lower, and have no problems, but I have coupler settings with much lower values than the default equipment ( you can check my settings in the physics forum at 3DTrains. The double section in the .eng files helps with some MU locomotive coupling problems. I haven't proved any value yet to using double sections in the .wag files yet other than improved appearance in "slack action" ( which is reason enough for me to stay with it for now, at least until I am able to improve on them, which I think will be possible with MSTSBin ). The settings that Otto has in his "collection" work quite well. Even the default.wag setting he has seems to work almost as well as Jim's, especially with his coupler settings. Otto has diligently tested and tweaked and then compiled very satifactory values, and graciously grouped and hosted them for us.
          Joe Morris, OVSRails Vice President
          OVSRails Engineer #2
          OVSRails
          OVSRails Forums

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            #6
            RE: UN Coupling Problem w/Bin 1.6.1

            Hi Bill !

            As Joe kindly mentioned, all my coupler settings in the: www.otto-wipfel.co.uk/downloads/mp3kcons.zip
            work perfectly with all coupling manoeuvres and different coupler settings in wagons do not seem to affect their couplers efficiency as long as all of them have this CouplingHasRigidConnection (1) line where shown below !

            Also make sure their Damping ( ..... ) lines show N/m/s their ends !

            The presence of buffers is arbitrary and their absence seems to make no difference when "Rigid" couplers are being used, as is the second coupler section in locos ! But as the presence of the latter seems logical, used in steam locos where there is another coupler type connecting one to a tender and works also in other locos, I am leaving them in. "If it works then don't change it" ! :7

            The only problems found with coupling were the occasional loco or wagon which had a Bounding Box covering the coupler knuckles !

            O t t o


            Web site: www.otto-wipfel.co.uk

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              #7
              RE: UN Coupling Problem w/Bin 1.6.1

              Thanks for answering Joe and Otto. I am using Otto's coupler values for upgrading the Cascade and North Western VR to Bin standards. I just noticed that the cars had one coupler section and wanted confirmation that this is indeed the intended plan. Also Otto, I'm cutting and pasting your actual coupler regions into the eng/wag files to make sure all are exactly alike. This has helped to cure the swinging accelerometer problem we talked about when helpers are on the rear of the train. It now shows Rock steady with movement mirroring exactly as the train is doing. Like I said we have had no issues in testing so far but I just wanted to be sure I hear it from the pros in this area. I will continue with the 300 or so wagons we have. Can't wait til the members get to play our game with the outstanding Bin upgrades and new activity possibilities. Again thanks Joe and especially Otto for helping me clear a couple of high hurdles on this project.
              Bill
              Rule of The Day: 147.7.16.B
              When all previously LISTED Trainhandling braking methods fail to produce desired results......JUMP!!!! Either way it's gonna hurt.

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                #8
                RE: UN Coupling Problem w/Bin 1.6.1

                You are welcome, Bill !

                And thanks for helping me with the invisible sound wagons idea, teaching me a few things on sounds, which triggered my "Going-over-switches" sound sources ! :7

                Take care, O t t o.
                Web site: www.otto-wipfel.co.uk

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                  #9
                  RE: UN Coupling Problem w/Bin 1.6.1

                  Most welcome Otto!!

                  Now I have another question. The C&NW has a passenger fleet as well as a fleet of Roadrailers as we model western railroading based on traffic patterns I observed in my carreer as engineer from 93 to 2002 running into Brooklyn yard in Portland Oregon and Eugene Yard in Eugene, Oregon and traffic departing and arriving Portland eastbound out the Columbia Gorge. I've watched the Southern Pacific many a time assemble the Swift trailer train bound for Southern California out of Brooklyn Yard and was amazed at the fact that 40 trailers only had six inches of slack in the whole train. This fact was confirmed by carman that used to assist with assembling the train as both crafts, carman and Conductor worked in conjuntion to load the trailers on the bogies and then assist with the airtest. I want to mimic this absence of slack in our trailer train equipment as well as our passenger equipment which also prototypically has virtually no slack. Can someone give me some coupler parameters to work with the Bin parameters of Otto's mp3kcons.zip files, which I am updating our entire fleet to, but with no slack action in the train? Otto's values in his freight cars does have slack action but again as stated above I want to eliminate the slack action from the passenger cars as well as the roadrailers. Now granted these consists will see little switching action so perfect coupling and uncoupling performances can be compromised some to achieve the desired slack results.
                  Bill
                  Rule of The Day: 147.7.16.B
                  When all previously LISTED Trainhandling braking methods fail to produce desired results......JUMP!!!! Either way it's gonna hurt.

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                    #10
                    RE: UN Coupling Problem w/Bin 1.6.1

                    Post the coupler section from those trailer cars. I will try to give you a setting that has little slack action after looking at what you have now.
                    Joe Morris, OVSRails Vice President
                    OVSRails Engineer #2
                    OVSRails
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                      #11
                      RE: UN Coupling Problem w/Bin 1.6.1

                      Hi Bill !

                      The slack action in the mp3kcons rolling stock got eliminated by the CouplerHasRigidConnection (1) line, I am now also applying to the *.wag files of this Italian 32 coaches set:



                      which is said to now have Ctrl-7/9 opening doors, but has not yet, but the exteriors and interiors are excellent, day and night ?

                      I added the Rigid Couplers mainly to stop wagons bunching up too close and in some instances intruding into the next wagon, their Bounding Boxes having been set incorrectly and by doing so also benefiting the reliability of all couplers ! ;-)

                      O t t o
                      Web site: www.otto-wipfel.co.uk

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                        #12
                        RE: Coupling Problem w/Bin 1.6.1

                        When player engine is coupled to a MaxiStack consist (BNSF MaxiStack1 or a derivative) it cannot be uncoupled. If any equipment (.eng or .wag) with regular couplers is connected between the player engine and the MaxiStack consist coupling and uncoupling is normal. Orientation, front or rear coupling is not a factor.

                        The MaxiStack consist must be properly oriented (AEDCB). The A unit has a knuckle coupler on the front; the B unit has a knuckle coupler on the rear; units are connected to each other with bar couplers.

                        Don't know if this is a Bin issue or an equipment issue.

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                          #13
                          RE: UN Coupling Problem w/Bin 1.6.1

                          Hm, that's odd cause on a 60 car coal train, there indeed is still slack action in the train. Quite realistically actually. About halfway down the train with an outside camera view you can see each car stretch out and start to move. I didn't check to see if it does it every time or just the first time but it appears to have slack on all moves I was looking for it.

                          Thanks for the offer Joe. I will post a wagon file for you and Otto as well since I'm using his values. Actually I will post two. One before the coupler regions are swapped with Otto's and one after so you can see the difference in the before and after version. I put them in a zip file to save page space on the thread.
                          Bill
                          Rule of The Day: 147.7.16.B
                          When all previously LISTED Trainhandling braking methods fail to produce desired results......JUMP!!!! Either way it's gonna hurt.

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                            #14
                            RE: UN Coupling Problem w/Bin 1.6.1


                            Hi Bill !

                            Did a test with a 4-DASH-9 + all the 31 US2Freight wagons consist and the caboose at the rear started moving at the same time as the loco in front.

                            The before CNW_sl_sleeper.wag has 2 coupler sections, the second one I don't think it needs and also has no "Rigid Coupling" lines. The other one with my wagon coupler settings should have no slack ! Make up a 20 cars consist using just it and check for slack !

                            Have not done my Italian passenger cars yet, waiting for news about where the opening doors versions are supposed to be !

                            If one of your trains still has slack then it could be that one or more of it's wagons/cars have no "Rigid Coupling" line ?

                            O t t o
                            Web site: www.otto-wipfel.co.uk

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                              #15
                              RE: UN Coupling Problem w/Bin 1.6.1

                              Try this file and let me know if it works for you.
                              Joe Morris, OVSRails Vice President
                              OVSRails Engineer #2
                              OVSRails
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