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  • CPTrainman59R
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    Originally posted by Erick_Cantu View Post
    More than that, more like three feet. And it has different trucks, a different cab interior, longer long hood...
    After spending eight years running across the top of Lake Superior in the CP sd40-2's the difference was how smooth & quiet they were for the head end crew. Many the times I had to wake the engineer up as they had a habit of putting you asleep.

    Rick

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  • CPTrainman59R
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    I am kind of unhappy of the comment about MSTS simmers after only the free stuff. I have bought every thing SLI, Tiger Train and Maple leaf tracks have made, but now being retired am not able to afford much now. Thank God for sale weekends. With as much memory I have no one would believe the size of my Master Train Set. I don't know who is going to inherit my stuff when i'm gone but their going to get a bundle!
    Downloading a lot of free stuff does not mean we don't support payware venders.

    Rick

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  • conductorchris
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    I agree Geoff. I was just making a joke - It was just that one engineer that couldn't seem to get his braking values right. Like I said, that engineers tenure was brief.
    Christopher

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  • lateagain
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    Originally posted by ragtimer View Post
    Geoff,first of all you have to get the brake force of the loco and cars correct.Secondly,certainly in UK the "Brake Rate" i.e the speed at which the brakes apply and release is probably different for passenger and freight in the US.It used to be here but as I retired from driving,freight trains were increasingly being operated in "pass" timings (there is a changeover switch on the loco brake frame).Just to add confusion,it was my understanding that the 59/0 and 59/1 had "goods" timing only but the 100ton (JHA I believe)wagons were "pass" only...go figure.They stopped reasonably OK though !
    Well my brief experience (a day firing and driving a steam loco on the Mid Hants ... which of course was vacuum braked) showed me that braking involved a good deal of anticipation and a gentle application to initiate deceleration (about 15" of vacuum) which could be released if that slowed too quickly and applied a few more inches if not enough. Vacuum (as with air reserves I assume) had to be maintained and indeed recharged very quickly. Final stop was actually quite easy once you got used to the deceleration rate and was predictable ...just as in driving a car. To prove just how powerful the braking COULD be one of my fellow participants applied the brake so savagely he managed to throw all of right across the footplate into the hot firebox wall. He only made that mistake ONCE. I also used to commute in Class 117 DMU's into Paddington. Sitting behind the driver I observed his braking technique which was very similar to that I learned on the BR Standard 5MT. As I understand it Great Eastern were one of the first UK railways to introduce Westinghouse Air Brakes. They adopted this system because the commuter lines out of Liverpool Street had fairly closely spaced stations and extremely heavy commuter traffic. The Air Braking was adopted because it gave faster braking and faster recharge of the air allowing for faster acceleration and deceleration to enable tighter timetabling on what was one of London's busiest commuter lines. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, most modern trains here and over the pond have air braking, disc brakes and even regenerative electric braking. Surely the modern Amtrak loco's and coaching stock can brake quickly and accurately? Video's from Rail fans on YouTube show similar performance from these trains to those we see in the UK?

    It's difficult to relate the sets I have to the current offerings from TrainSimulations because the packs are different from the original SLI ones. As my routes are on another box it'll take some time to check out the specific sets I found lacking. The main characteristics I encountered were poor deceleration from initial braking and when further braking was applied this was difficult to control because on releasing the brakes the units continued TO BRAKE . On final attempts to stop accurately in the platform the brakes then didn't respond quickly enough and nearly every attempted stop incurred an overshoot of the platform. As I said I find it hard to believe (and videos support this) that Amtraks loco's and rolling stock have such poor and unpredictable braking

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  • ragtimer
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    Geoff,first of all you have to get the brake force of the loco and cars correct.Secondly,certainly in UK the "Brake Rate" i.e the speed at which the brakes apply and release is probably different for passenger and freight in the US.It used to be here but as I retired from driving,freight trains were increasingly being operated in "pass" timings (there is a changeover switch on the loco brake frame).Just to add confusion,it was my understanding that the 59/0 and 59/1 had "goods" timing only but the 100ton (JHA I believe)wagons were "pass" only...go figure.They stopped reasonably OK though !

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  • lateagain
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    Originally posted by conductorchris View Post
    Ha! Geoff, I worked briefly with an engineer who's breaking matched the characteristics you are highlighting. Did I mention it was brief?
    Christopher
    What I'm describing is confirmed by hundreds of video's Chris. I appreciate Amtrak trains are not Metro's or Rapid Transit trains but ever since Steam and 1st generation Diesel hauled trains this has been a characteristic of passenger haulage. Nothing to do with the engineer. On routes with high level platforms (more common in Nth America now?) The engineer has to be able to stop the consist accurately. With the SLI sets I have this just isn't possible. Operator error? ...well everyone else's models work fine. I've posted this before and had some agreement from others. I'll look up the sets I own for specific models.

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  • conductorchris
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    Ha! Geoff, I worked briefly with an engineer who's breaking matched the characteristics you are highlighting. Did I mention it was brief?
    Christopher

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  • wcl
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    Originally posted by gerflato View Post
    I definitely second the SOO LINE, WC, and the E&LS.
    Nice to see others like these RR's as well

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  • gerflato
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    I definitely second the SOO LINE, WC, and the E&LS.

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  • Komachi
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    Originally posted by lateagain View Post
    All mods welcomed but whilst we're on the Amtrak packs the braking was awful, in fact pretty much non existent!!! I don't know what it was modelled on but no passenger train I ever travelled on had braking performance like that Stopping at Stations accurately (surfliner route) was impossible. BTW this was in MSTS so this is NOT just an OR physics issue. It's as if the braking performance was modelled on a mile and a half long heavy freight train. Passenger trains have to stop quickly, recharge their braking quickly and accelerate quickly. Otherwise timetables are too slow and /or impossible to adhere to.
    I didn't notice a huge problem, but I'll definitely go and check that for sure. Will check!

    And oh speaking of interiors.. The Horizons could use some ones too!

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  • lateagain
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    Originally posted by Komachi View Post
    Hey there Jason, first off thanks for answering folks questions! I do have a ticket for the suggestion box, if I may?

    This, would definitely be a bit of an undertaking, but a passenger view modification and upgrade for the Superliner set, including upper & lower levels in one model for the Coach, Sleeper, and Sightseer Lounge, and possibly even a Cross Country Cafe? (Not dining car, though. Lower level is a kitchen).
    While that might be a bit of an arduous task, it could VERY much be simplified for the sleepers by having only maybe a couple rooms (Say, 2 roomettes, 1 bedroom?) ' open' and the rest closed off with the curtain and not actually modeled.

    Also another thing I would, more readily & realistically like to see is a proper interior for the Auto Train Lounge Car. I purchased the ORTS Auto Train expecting a proper lounge, however it did not deliver. I was not speaking of the Sightseer Lounge, but the unique auto train lounge which was merely skinned from a coach car, and had a coach car interior.

    Looking forward to your reply, and thank you for being so involved with the ORTS Community!
    All mods welcomed but whilst we're on the Amtrak packs the braking was awful, in fact pretty much non existent!!! I don't know what it was modelled on but no passenger train I ever travelled on had braking performance like that Stopping at Stations accurately (surfliner route) was impossible. BTW this was in MSTS so this is NOT just an OR physics issue. It's as if the braking performance was modelled on a mile and a half long heavy freight train. Passenger trains have to stop quickly, recharge their braking quickly and accelerate quickly. Otherwise timetables are too slow and /or impossible to adhere to.

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  • Komachi
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    Hey there Jason, first off thanks for answering folks questions! I do have a ticket for the suggestion box, if I may?

    This, would definitely be a bit of an undertaking, but a passenger view modification and upgrade for the Superliner set, including upper & lower levels in one model for the Coach, Sleeper, and Sightseer Lounge, and possibly even a Cross Country Cafe? (Not dining car, though. Lower level is a kitchen).
    While that might be a bit of an arduous task, it could VERY much be simplified for the sleepers by having only maybe a couple rooms (Say, 2 roomettes, 1 bedroom?) ' open' and the rest closed off with the curtain and not actually modeled.

    Also another thing I would, more readily & realistically like to see is a proper interior for the Auto Train Lounge Car. I purchased the ORTS Auto Train expecting a proper lounge, however it did not deliver. I was not speaking of the Sightseer Lounge, but the unique auto train lounge which was merely skinned from a coach car, and had a coach car interior.

    Looking forward to your reply, and thank you for being so involved with the ORTS Community!

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  • lateagain
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    Originally posted by wcl View Post
    Well I just keep seeing a lot of CN, CP, UP, CSX and Amtrak, and I figured that all the locos were pretty much all covered for all them RR's, why not throw in something new like a WC set or some fallen flag stuff....

    A pack of Escanaba and Lake Superior stuff would be cool to see or even a SOO LINE pack at that
    ....well yes but Jj with ANY of the wishlists posted in this thread you have to ask "WHERE ARE THE ROUTES?!" I fail to see the point of producing stuff where no good quality routes exist

    Even considering how much has been produced for all the Canadian Roads you have to ask where are the routes I always liked the earlier CN and CP stuff and bought the Shuswap Pass in MLT's recent sale. Frankly the route made the default Marias pass look good ....and that's a shame because as a route for the Sim it ticks all the right boxes.

    The harsh reality is that the best routes produced for some time now have been freeware. BLW and SLI realised this and produced stock packs specifically for some of those routes but if I were producing Payware I'd be looking at all of the best routes available and producing stock for any road that ran those rails in specific era's.

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  • dcarleton
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    How about a great eastern fallen flag - Erie Lackawanna?

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  • wcl
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    Well I just keep seeing a lot of CN, CP, UP, CSX and Amtrak, and I figured that all the locos were pretty much all covered for all them RR's, why not throw in something new like a WC set or some fallen flag stuff....

    A pack of Escanaba and Lake Superior stuff would be cool to see or even a SOO LINE pack at that

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