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  • lateagain
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    Originally posted by PXSE View Post
    Boy, this sure derailed fast.
    Since when was a discussion in a FORUM a derailment? Discussion is where we put forward differing views .....not loads of sycophantic gushing one liners

    Originally posted by PXSE View Post
    All the folks out there wishing for PRR-ER sized routes in the future, you must be smoking those funny looking cigarettes that give off that weird smell.
    I totally agree with you re size of routes. How many folk have time to actually drive some of these extreme routes? How many of the longer routes come with decent activities that USE these lengths? HOWEVER there is a major difference between most payware routes and some freeware routes. Many freeware routes start at a "significant" point and end at one? Many US payware routes start in the middle of nowhere and end somewhere equally remote. Cities in Payware routes are almost unheard of

    Originally posted by PXSE View Post
    It is also downright impossible to serve up a route that works in many eras, such as from steam to Gevos. The track layouts and signalling are different decades apart, code lines come and go, and what good are track pans or a steam engine roundhouse and turntable in the Gevo era? It is about as useful as run through diesel fueling pads in the Cab Forward era. Route builders need to pick one era and publish that, buyers are free to buy and then modify or duplicate a copy into another era to their hearts content. Just buy it and do it.
    There are a number of issues with era. Especially your side of the pond. Quite apart from signalling there's the massive decline in passenger traffic since the transition era. The end of "drop off" local freight and the many local sidings that were used for it. The reduction of miles of double track into single track with passing loops etc.etc. HOWEVER SLI did do two eras of Seligman, although for my taste the Santa Fe one could have been even earlier. Of course SLI/Trainsimulations started out as a stock provider and their output (of which I have a good few packs ...including stuff no longer for sale) has always been from a pretty narrow time frame. Personally anything past Dash7 is a yawn for me ....but then I've got BLW to keep me happy

    Originally posted by PXSE View Post
    .........waiting for one of the many sales throughout the year will give you the same price break result as demanding a route without stock. Buy it then and throw the stock away, if you are crazy enough or truly think the freeware content you already have from a decade ago is better.
    Well thanks to SLI/Trainsimulations payment method anyone outside of the States gets stung for VAT!!! NO ONE ELSE DOES THIS! So we HAVE to wait for a sale just to get it at the price YOU do. However I agree with your point about the stock .....although some freeware content that's years old is of surprisingly high standard. New should be MUCH better, but it isn't always.

    Originally posted by PXSE View Post
    How many people kicking the tires here actually bought the Seligman Open Rails route and actually compared the differences in rolling stock. If you did, you wouldn't be claiming it's the "same old stock".
    Well two points there. 1st how many folk noticed that the SLI BNSF stock for the Scenic Sub route was originally designed for MSTS2? I DID compare it with existing models and it was much more detailed. 2nd ...well that is Trainsimulations fault. Their limited screenshots for each route or stock pack sell their own product short! NOT the buyers fault.

    Originally posted by PXSE View Post
    They give us modern, a handful of occasional buyers demand older timeframes. They give us older timeframes, a different handful of occasional buyers demand more modern times. I don't know how vendors stick with it.
    As I said earlier they have and COULD produce different versions and for the reasons I stated. Stick with it? I assume they've got a backbone and a hide! The idea that software vendors are such precious flowers is frankly absurd. Would you cut any other manufacturer such slack if you weren't happy with their product....

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  • groeg
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    Thank you Trainsimulations for a great product worth every dollar, or for me euro.
    I think it is one of the best, probably the best/realistic forest themed route out there. I noticed some flickering vegetation, but my computer is more than eight years old and its graphics card not supported anymore. Though I get 20+ FPS. I think this is surprisingly much with all the detail.
    I understand people want longer routes, more rolling stock and so on. Me too. But it has to created within a reasonable time fame and amount of work. If you would own Ruel you would notice it contains much more than you already have. Two new engines, new rolling stock and tons of new skins.
    Btw. gimme more! I hope for a rolling stock pack. A CN style Dash 9 (four windows best) has been mentioned before, Draper Tappers and maybe even (really dreaming now) MLW630/636.

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  • r_claxton
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    I haven't posted here in a number of years, but I must say this:

    What a fantastic product! Purchased it today and took a train from beginning to end. I didn't have any issues with anything - and I can't get over how amazing the sounds and eye candy are. I know this subdivision/area quite well, and the team at TrainSimulations have captured the look, feel and operations to a 'T'. I'd put this at the top of my list as my most favorite MSTS/OR product, ever. CN fans have waited so long for amazing and accurate wide-cabs, and our time has come. I'm also very impressed with the amount of rolling-stock included in the game, very generous. This era is what I remember growing up as a kid! Well done guys! I must admit, I've been deep into Run8 for the past few years - this is a welcomed break from running American railroads all the time, however I caught myself several times trying to click a coupler to uncouple and hitting F12 to walk on the ground. Now, if only the folks at OR were to maybe copy some code ;D.

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  • Don6218
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    Reguarding PSXE's statements, I agree with most of what you are saying. I have "Old" MLT routes and 21st C routes, I run what I feel "Looks" right. Up here in the Frozen North, in Ontario we have F-Units operating on a Daily Basis doing real Railroad Stuff as well as some GP units. Do they look out of place? Not really, but quite a contrast if they happen to be caught in the same frame as a modern SD or Dash9.

    As for signals, I am perfectly happy with seeing Semaphores with 90's Power & Rolling Stock, some were not removed here until very late. I love running the Blue Comet Route Activities, just change the Carspawn to modern vehicles and enjoy, semaphores and all with modern CSX Power, or ConRail.

    As for the Power & Rolling stock included with this route, was it intended for OR use with High Detail Parts? BTW, CN is still operating a GMD-1 in Aldershot Yard. Old and New equipment up here blends in, whatever era you like. BTW, no steam though, to speak of.

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  • TGM
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    Hi,

    I have driven up to Ruel so far from Capreol and I gotta say I love the scenery in this new route. The trees look amazing. I am getting quite a lot of stuttering, with fps going up and down like a yoyo, but overall well done guys.

    regards Tom

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  • Curt C
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    I'm real happy with the quality and detail of this route. I'm swapping out modern-era stuff in the activities, and it looks great! Thanks TS!

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  • chilla
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    Hell I might buy it I'm always open to more Canadian routes i just have one request could trainsimulations do a authentic cn dash 9 cause they are sorely missing and yes I know there is maple leaf tracks cn dash 9's but they are are smaller than diesels west and trainsimulations models so they dont look right together .

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  • emd645e3c
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    I'd be happy to pay extra for this, and other rolling stock releases if they had the original texture files added ( assuming psd or the like ) to make it easier for reskinning and renumbering. It's nice to have some different weathering on locos and wagons if you renumber, or to make the process a lot simpler if completely changing the livery. Perhaps a "normal" install, and a "normal + "reskinning kit" option ? Just a thought.

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  • R. Steele
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    Originally posted by PXSE View Post
    Boy, this sure derailed fast.
    Yup, TBE* [*to be expected]

    Originally posted by PXSE View Post
    buyers are free to buy and then modify or duplicate a copy into another era to their hearts content. Just buy it and do it.
    You folks oughta see my routes...museum pieces...I run everything...not unusual for a modern SD90 hauling a modern consist to have traffic that consists of F units running WW2 passenger cars...or perhaps a few trains made up entirely of BLW_ZT stuff running also....I like to see everything...definitely a railroad museum!

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  • seagoon
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    What a bunch of Scrooges!
    You blokes whinging about what is a piddling amount of money for entertainment these days.......Jeeeez, open your wallets and let the moths run free!

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  • PXSE
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    Boy, this sure derailed fast.

    All the folks out there wishing for PRR-ER sized routes in the future, you must be smoking those funny looking cigarettes that give off that weird smell.

    It is also downright impossible to serve up a route that works in many eras, such as from steam to Gevos. The track layouts and signalling are different decades apart, code lines come and go, and what good are track pans or a steam engine roundhouse and turntable in the Gevo era? It is about as useful as run through diesel fueling pads in the Cab Forward era. Route builders need to pick one era and publish that, buyers are free to buy and then modify or duplicate a copy into another era to their hearts content. Just buy it and do it.

    I understand that some people cannot afford everything that sellers come out with, but people in this predicament should not set the needs tone for the entire payware buying community. Suggestions should be welcomed, within reason. But in this case, as another poster pointed out, waiting for one of the many sales throughout the year will give you the same price break result as demanding a route without stock. Buy it then and throw the stock away, if you are crazy enough or truly think the freeware content you already have from a decade ago is better.

    How many people kicking the tires here actually bought the Seligman Open Rails route and actually compared the differences in rolling stock. If you did, you wouldn't be claiming it's the "same old stock".

    They give us modern, a handful of occasional buyers demand older timeframes. They give us older timeframes, a different handful of occasional buyers demand more modern times. I don't know how vendors stick with it.

    As a buyer of just about everything payware vendors sell, I do appreciate the purity of safety cab engines in 1980's paint.

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  • michelouim
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    Originally posted by Don6218 View Post
    Even a basic East-Coast to Winnipeg Path to get things rolling would be a great start.
    My dream.....

    Michel

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  • michelouim
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    That is a great suggestion Doug, it has my vote. And i am also reading that CN and CP are both in the same route. I did not make a survey, but both lines are not that far away from one another (in the Montréal area, they are side by side).


    Michel

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  • Don6218
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    Originally posted by bootednancy View Post
    A future suggestion might be for one of these companies who do the software to create the full Montreal to Toronto CN/CP mainlines. Too many routes are just pieces of something (Niagara or GTA) and become pointless. The capability with OR and the Editors now in use to create larger routes, several of which prove that (PPRR East Region v2, Thames Trent v3, etc), so Montreal Toronto should be easy as a Betty Crocker cake mix???

    Doug
    Yes. your suggestions here are very good. If the Locos/Rolling-Stock are "New-OR Designed" then it would make a worthwhile purchase. The Joining of all the Partial Canadian Routes we have now would put in place a decent Corridor of operation, like the PRR-East project. Even a basic East-Coast to Winnipeg Path to get things rolling would be a great start.
    I would be willing to contribute what I can to such an endeavour.

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  • bootednancy
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    It is nice to see another Canadian route being offered......but I can go along with the rest of the team and say who needs the rolling stock...too limiting in era for those that want to "branch out" with earlier green & gold diesels or steam engines.

    Plus these days you get some grungy dirty or graffitied freight cars which look horrible in a scenario. Better to give us the option to use what we want or get the equipment set that best fits what we need.

    A future suggestion might be for one of these companies who do the software to create the full Montreal to Toronto CN/CP mainlines. Too many routes are just pieces of something (Niagara or GTA) and become pointless. The capability with OR and the Editors now in use to create larger routes, several of which prove that (PPRR East Region v2, Thames Trent v3, etc), so Montreal Toronto should be easy as a Betty Crocker cake mix???

    Doug

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