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      #17
      Hi Kent-2,
      With respect, you have not installed the route correctly.
      As stated, I followed the instructions word for word this afternoon and successfully ran it using Open Rails v1.5.1. Although there are a large number of World file errors, there are no reports of any missing track sections, proved by starting activity 40 South Out of Rico. I did not have to re-copy N1t shapes, or any others. Also, checking the route with Route_Riter didn't report any missing track sections.

      Cheers,
      Ged

      Edit : The World file warnings are created due to a utility named TS DB-Utility being run on the route - it adds a note to the end of each World file, after the final close bracket. The warnings are a bit of a pain in that they clog up the log file, but, as far as I am aware, they may be ignored.
      Last edited by slipperman; 11-15-2023, 05:49 PM.

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        #18
        Originally posted by slipperman View Post
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        Edit : The World file warnings are created due to a utility named TS DB-Utility being run on the route - it adds a note to the end of each World file, after the final close bracket. The warnings are a bit of a pain in that they clog up the log file, but, as far as I am aware, they may be ignored.
        You can also remove them from the world files using any search and replace utility or function of a program...just substitute a blank space.
        Last edited by R. Steele; 11-15-2023, 07:24 PM.
        Cheers, Gerry
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          #19
          Originally posted by Kent-2 View Post
          One more question, if you don't mind. (It is related to the main topic, I believe.) While trying to assemble the mini-route, I see that it includes a "ROUTES" folder which, in turn, contains a recursive copy of the entire route. This redundancy seems to consume an unnecessary amount of real estate on my hard drive. Can I just delete it?
          my emphasis

          I think the confusion is caused by this:
          ONE ---- In the library is a file rgsv4.zip which contains ALL the parts for the mini-route, GLOBAL folder, TRAINS/consist and trainset within and the ROUTES folder.

          or The OTHER ---- ALSO in the library are three zip files rgsv4-global.zip rgsv4-trains.zip rgsv4-routes.zip that have the parts in individual zip files.

          You only need to download one or the other, and the instructions.

          IF you download rgsv4.zip and the three other files you will indeed find a situation that has two routes..."recursive" would apply.
          Cheers, Gerry
          "A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open." Frank Zappa
          It's my railroad and I'll do what I want! Historically accurate attitude of US Railroad Barons.
          Forever, ridin' drag in railroad knowledge.
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            #20
            Apologies for barging in...one last thing, got everything set up, no problems, route loads and displays correctly, all tracks, etc. Apart from some steam locomotive settings warnings in log and a couple of shape files missing, nothing else of any consequence. Don't usually run NG steam, but this looks very interesting. Nicely done.
            Last edited by R. Steele; 11-15-2023, 08:21 PM.
            Cheers, Gerry
            "A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open." Frank Zappa
            It's my railroad and I'll do what I want! Historically accurate attitude of US Railroad Barons.
            Forever, ridin' drag in railroad knowledge.
            Audi, Vide, Tace, Si Vis Vivere In Pace

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              #21
              Just in case there's any confusion over what a mini-route is... it's not as complicated as it used to be under MSTS, where the executables had to be copied over.

              In ORTS, a mini-route should be its own parent folder **NOT** in your regular MSTS/ORTS folder structure, with subfolders for Global, Trains, Sounds, and Route.

              You don't need the executables for ORTS or MSTS there, as ORTS allows you to choose from different locations.

              I run all my train simulation off my E drive, and right now have three different locations for content:
              1. e:\TrainSimulations (my Train Simulations routes which have DDS track textures)
              2. e:\RGSV4 (for the purposes of testing this particular thread)
              3. e:\MSTS (my default location for routes that behave with others and use ACE track textures)
              The reasons for using a mini-route vs. a standard location included keeping the number of train database items down, using custom TSections with non-standard tracks. There were probably others, but honestly, I'm not sure they're really needed as much as they were 20 years ago.

              Our departed friend Otto was obsessed with mini-routes, and wrote the following tutorial:

                                               "MINI ROUTES the EASY WAY"                                    There can only be one "Installed" from CD version of the Microsoft Train Simulator on your computer which the REGISTRY is aware of and it must contain all its 6 default routes needed for the installation of add-on Routes using an Installme.bat. New routes also can only be created by its Geometry Extractor, but can be moved to a MINI Route afterwards!   COPY the Train Simulator main folder's contents and all its sub-folders to another part of your hard drive, preferably a logical drive partition, after creating a new folder for it which can be called what you like. A meaningful name for the MINI Route perhaps and the shorter its Path then the less typing there will be when creating Desktop Shortcut target lines for it as shown below.    I created a AA-MINI-MASTER Copy to be re-used as and when. Observe the MINI MASTER's empty


              Again, this was how it was 20 years ago. Today, you don't need to replicate the executables nor should you need the 1033, Fonts or Utils folders.
              Last edited by eric; 11-15-2023, 09:04 PM.
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                #22
                Ged, what I meant was that the folder structure seems a bit convoluted and possibly wasteful. I have my primary "MSTS" folder. Under that There is a folder named, "ROUTES." Within that ROUTES folder is a folder named, "Rio Grande Southern," which seems to contain the entire route including GLOBEL, SHAPES, TERRTEX, etc. Pretty much everything needed as far as I can tell. But then there is yet another folder named, "ROUTES" in which I find a sub-folder named "RGS-4." That sub-folder seems to include another complete version of the entire route. So, this is why I'm rather confoozed.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Kent-2 View Post
                  Ged, what I meant was that the folder structure seems a bit convoluted and possibly wasteful. I have my primary "MSTS" folder. Under that There is a folder named, "ROUTES." Within that ROUTES folder is a folder named, "Rio Grande Southern," which seems to contain the entire route including GLOBEL, SHAPES, TERRTEX, etc. Pretty much everything needed as far as I can tell. But then there is yet another folder named, "ROUTES" in which I find a sub-folder named "RGS-4." That sub-folder seems to include another complete version of the entire route.
                  The "mini-route" shouldn't be nested inside your MSTS\ROUTES folder.

                  Cut the "Rio Grande Southern" folder from your MSTS\ROUTES folder, and move it a couple levels higher, e.g. same folder or root drive as your MSTS folder so that they're peers, not a parent-child relationship:

                  examples:
                  d:\MSTS
                  d:\Rio Grande Southern

                  or
                  d:\trainsims\MSTS
                  d:\trainsims\RioGrandeSouthern


                  You should probably also remove the RGS-4 from MSTS\ROUTES
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                    #24
                    RGSuccess Open Rails 2023-11-16 08.34.08.png Success at last! I'm not entirely sure how, but it's now working just fine. Big thanks to each of you who took the time to offer suggestions.

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