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  • Kent-2
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    RGSuccess Open Rails 2023-11-16 08.34.08.png Success at last! I'm not entirely sure how, but it's now working just fine. Big thanks to each of you who took the time to offer suggestions.

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  • eric
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    Originally posted by Kent-2 View Post
    Ged, what I meant was that the folder structure seems a bit convoluted and possibly wasteful. I have my primary "MSTS" folder. Under that There is a folder named, "ROUTES." Within that ROUTES folder is a folder named, "Rio Grande Southern," which seems to contain the entire route including GLOBEL, SHAPES, TERRTEX, etc. Pretty much everything needed as far as I can tell. But then there is yet another folder named, "ROUTES" in which I find a sub-folder named "RGS-4." That sub-folder seems to include another complete version of the entire route.
    The "mini-route" shouldn't be nested inside your MSTS\ROUTES folder.

    Cut the "Rio Grande Southern" folder from your MSTS\ROUTES folder, and move it a couple levels higher, e.g. same folder or root drive as your MSTS folder so that they're peers, not a parent-child relationship:

    examples:
    d:\MSTS
    d:\Rio Grande Southern

    or
    d:\trainsims\MSTS
    d:\trainsims\RioGrandeSouthern


    You should probably also remove the RGS-4 from MSTS\ROUTES

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  • Kent-2
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    Ged, what I meant was that the folder structure seems a bit convoluted and possibly wasteful. I have my primary "MSTS" folder. Under that There is a folder named, "ROUTES." Within that ROUTES folder is a folder named, "Rio Grande Southern," which seems to contain the entire route including GLOBEL, SHAPES, TERRTEX, etc. Pretty much everything needed as far as I can tell. But then there is yet another folder named, "ROUTES" in which I find a sub-folder named "RGS-4." That sub-folder seems to include another complete version of the entire route. So, this is why I'm rather confoozed.

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  • eric
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    Just in case there's any confusion over what a mini-route is... it's not as complicated as it used to be under MSTS, where the executables had to be copied over.

    In ORTS, a mini-route should be its own parent folder **NOT** in your regular MSTS/ORTS folder structure, with subfolders for Global, Trains, Sounds, and Route.

    You don't need the executables for ORTS or MSTS there, as ORTS allows you to choose from different locations.

    I run all my train simulation off my E drive, and right now have three different locations for content:
    1. e:\TrainSimulations (my Train Simulations routes which have DDS track textures)
    2. e:\RGSV4 (for the purposes of testing this particular thread)
    3. e:\MSTS (my default location for routes that behave with others and use ACE track textures)
    The reasons for using a mini-route vs. a standard location included keeping the number of train database items down, using custom TSections with non-standard tracks. There were probably others, but honestly, I'm not sure they're really needed as much as they were 20 years ago.

    Our departed friend Otto was obsessed with mini-routes, and wrote the following tutorial:

                                     "MINI ROUTES the EASY WAY"                                    There can only be one "Installed" from CD version of the Microsoft Train Simulator on your computer which the REGISTRY is aware of and it must contain all its 6 default routes needed for the installation of add-on Routes using an Installme.bat. New routes also can only be created by its Geometry Extractor, but can be moved to a MINI Route afterwards!   COPY the Train Simulator main folder's contents and all its sub-folders to another part of your hard drive, preferably a logical drive partition, after creating a new folder for it which can be called what you like. A meaningful name for the MINI Route perhaps and the shorter its Path then the less typing there will be when creating Desktop Shortcut target lines for it as shown below.    I created a AA-MINI-MASTER Copy to be re-used as and when. Observe the MINI MASTER's empty


    Again, this was how it was 20 years ago. Today, you don't need to replicate the executables nor should you need the 1033, Fonts or Utils folders.
    Last edited by eric; 11-15-2023, 09:04 PM.

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  • R. Steele
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    Apologies for barging in...one last thing, got everything set up, no problems, route loads and displays correctly, all tracks, etc. Apart from some steam locomotive settings warnings in log and a couple of shape files missing, nothing else of any consequence. Don't usually run NG steam, but this looks very interesting. Nicely done.
    Last edited by R. Steele; 11-15-2023, 08:21 PM.

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  • R. Steele
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    Originally posted by Kent-2 View Post
    One more question, if you don't mind. (It is related to the main topic, I believe.) While trying to assemble the mini-route, I see that it includes a "ROUTES" folder which, in turn, contains a recursive copy of the entire route. This redundancy seems to consume an unnecessary amount of real estate on my hard drive. Can I just delete it?
    my emphasis

    I think the confusion is caused by this:
    ONE ---- In the library is a file rgsv4.zip which contains ALL the parts for the mini-route, GLOBAL folder, TRAINS/consist and trainset within and the ROUTES folder.

    or The OTHER ---- ALSO in the library are three zip files rgsv4-global.zip rgsv4-trains.zip rgsv4-routes.zip that have the parts in individual zip files.

    You only need to download one or the other, and the instructions.

    IF you download rgsv4.zip and the three other files you will indeed find a situation that has two routes..."recursive" would apply.

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  • R. Steele
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    Originally posted by slipperman View Post
    ....

    Edit : The World file warnings are created due to a utility named TS DB-Utility being run on the route - it adds a note to the end of each World file, after the final close bracket. The warnings are a bit of a pain in that they clog up the log file, but, as far as I am aware, they may be ignored.
    You can also remove them from the world files using any search and replace utility or function of a program...just substitute a blank space.
    Last edited by R. Steele; 11-15-2023, 07:24 PM.

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  • slipperman
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    Hi Kent-2,
    With respect, you have not installed the route correctly.
    As stated, I followed the instructions word for word this afternoon and successfully ran it using Open Rails v1.5.1. Although there are a large number of World file errors, there are no reports of any missing track sections, proved by starting activity 40 South Out of Rico. I did not have to re-copy N1t shapes, or any others. Also, checking the route with Route_Riter didn't report any missing track sections.

    Cheers,
    Ged

    Edit : The World file warnings are created due to a utility named TS DB-Utility being run on the route - it adds a note to the end of each World file, after the final close bracket. The warnings are a bit of a pain in that they clog up the log file, but, as far as I am aware, they may be ignored.
    Last edited by slipperman; 11-15-2023, 05:49 PM.

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  • Kent-2
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  • Kent-2
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    Well, RGS4 is now a mini-route, if I did it correctly. At least it now contains a semi-complete copy of MSTS. But, I'm still seeing a lot of warnings in the OR Log, and the missing track sections are still missing. I did overwrite the entire GLOBAL folder with a freshly downloaded copy, and just to make sure I re-copied all of the N1T shapes. Ugh, problem remains. Am I out of options?
    PS- I am quite fond of mountain routes, with their alternating ups and downs - a fun driving challenge. I especially enjoy Bernina Pass.

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  • slipperman
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    Hi Kent-2,
    If you follow the instructions (from rgsv4-instructions.zip) you will have no problem whatsoever running the route in Open Rails!

    Your last but one post mentioned "located among MSTS routes". If you follow the instructions you should not have any other routes in the ROUTES folder.

    From your last post, the ROUTES folder should have only one sub-folder - RGS-V4. This contains all the files necessary to create the route. I don't understand "contains a recursive copy of the entire route" - maybe you've NOT followed the instructions??

    Cheers,
    Ged

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  • Kent-2
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    One more question, if you don't mind. (It is related to the main topic, I believe.) While trying to assemble the mini-route, I see that it includes a "ROUTES" folder which, in turn, contains a recursive copy of the entire route. This redundancy seems to consume an unnecessary amount of real estate on my hard drive. Can I just delete it?

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  • Kent-2
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    Oops. Well I had copied and inserted the entire GLOBAL folder. But, I now realize that my installation is not a proper "Mini-Route." I will fix that. And BTW, should RGS4 be located among MSTS routes, or elsewhere? Thanks again to all who chimed in here. I'm learning ...

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  • landnrailroader
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    Yes, it does have to be a mini-route. One of the neat thiings I find about ORTS is that you can have several mini routes or clones of MSTS on your system and ORTS can create a list of them so that when you run it, you just specify the install you want to use and it will handle it and then let you know what routes are in it. Another route like that is the Bernina Pass route which Lukas Lussar and his friend in Italy along with "others that we forgot" put together. Very accurate. Lukas wife has a cousin that is a "driver" on the Rhb on that line.

    Jerry

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  • eric
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    The instructions are pretty clear that this needs to be a mini-route.

    Those missing track shapes "N1T.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" are in the RGSv4-Global.zip file referenced above as well as the full download ( download 85190 as a full download, or 85191 for the Global directory files only )

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