New bethgon set from TrainSimulations

[Unoriginal]

Saw this in my email today.

https://www.trainsimulations.net/bethgons-vol1

[geepster775]

Nice.

Now all they have to do is mate these cars with a canvas top to create DDG/protein cars. Make it a trainset by creating some BNSF Tier 4 locos (Love the 80's stuff, but gotta throw a bone to the 2010 crowd once in a while.)

Would also love to see a flatcar/loads pack. 89 footer with auto frames, rail wheel loads, windmill base tower sections, long pipe sections, any kind of structural steel high/wide loads.

https://modelrailroadnews.com/turn-a-coal-hopper-into-a-feed-trough-mac-rails-ho-scale-protein-hopper-top-kit/

https://www.shurco.com/products/rail-products/our-products/

[spoony1999]

Nice.

Now all they have to do is mate these cars with a canvas top to create DDG/protein cars. Make it a trainset by creating some BNSF Tier 4 locos (Love the 80's stuff, but gotta throw a bone to the 2010 crowd once in a while.)

Would also love to see a flatcar/loads pack. 89 footer with auto frames, rail wheel loads, windmill base tower sections, long pipe sections, any kind of structural steel high/wide loads.

https://modelrailroadnews.com/turn-a-coal-hopper-into-a-feed-trough-mac-rails-ho-scale-protein-hopper-top-kit/

https://www.shurco.com/products/rail-products/our-products/

TMT has 2 packs of the protein hoppers

https://www.torontomainlinetrains.ca/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=85&search=protein

https://www.torontomainlinetrains.ca/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=86

[geepster775]

TMT has 2 packs of the protein hoppers

I had been contemplating getting them and shape modding the car to just the top so I could add them to the Mullan hoppers as a F/A.

But paypal wants too much unnecessary information lately, so I declined to complete the order.

Besides there are now JAIX and TILX hoppers with the tops.

[CSRX]

Awesome, now I can finish my WFRX pack with this newer model.

[chilla]

they could do a whole pack just for CSX with all the different ones they have i will definitely keep my eye on these there is a lot of roads and private companys they could do.

[geepster775]

The Somerset gons are quite a bit overweight. They went back to metric tons for this pack and they are listed at 141 metric tons, which equates to 155 US tons, which is about 310,000 pounds. But the Somerset gons were only 263,000 cars, not 286,000, so the more realistic figure is 118 metric tons, which is 130 US tons, or 260,000 pounds.

Of course, all the other 286k cars are also overweight slightly with the 141 metric tons figure. 128 or 129 is the more realistic figure.

[R. Steele]

The Somerset gons are quite a bit overweight. They went back to metric tons for this pack and they are listed at 141 metric tons

I think you've misread the files --- they are in the ballpark for the builders drawings & specs I have.

File specifies: Mass ( 141t-us ) --- this is the correct OR UoM for US tons....not metric. Which = 127.913 metric tons

The plans I have show a Gross Rail Load = 129.7274t

OR accepts UoM for mass

[geepster775]

The value in the wag file was Mass ( 141t ), not Mass ( 141t-us )

[R. Steele]

The value in the wag file was Mass ( 141t ), not Mass ( 141t-us )

OH Pleeze .... just stop!

SIMISA@@@@@@@@@@JINX0D0t______

Wagon ( SOM_BETHGON_614_LD

Type ( Freight )

Name ("COAL GONDOLA (LD) - SOM 614")

WagonShape ( SOM_BETHGON_614_LD.s )

Size ( 3.142m 4.483m 16.121m )
comment ( 28.5t empty, 141t full )
Mass ( 141t-us )
WheelRadius ( 18in )

include ( "..\\TS_COMMON_INC_V3\\Couplers\\Type_F_Coupler.inc" )

ORTSNumberAxles ( 4 )
ORTSNumberBogies ( 2 )
ORTSBearingType ( Roller )

Comment ( fcalc - 70 MPH, Standard Roller, 4 axles, A= 148.5ft^2 , Weight = 141 us tons, Cd=1.0 )

ORTSDavis_A ( 284.00lbf )
ORTSDavis_B ( 2.1150lbf/mph )
ORTSDavis_C ( 0.072548lbf/mph^2 )

Comment ( Setting standstill friction equal to Davis A per latest AREMA manual statement that starting resistance is neglibible for roller bearings )

ORTSStandstillFriction ( 284.00lbf )
ORTSMergeSpeed ( 5mph )
ORTSWagonFrontalArea ( 148.5ft^2 )
ORTSDavisDragConstant ( 0.0024 )
ORTSTrackGauge ( 4ft 8.5in )
ORTSRigidWheelbase ( 5ft 10in )
ORTSLengthBogieCentre ( 40.6844ft )
ORTSLengthCouplerFace ( 52.893ft )
Comment ( Assumed shank length 21.5in, coupler length 12in )
ORTSLengthCarBody ( 47.313ft )
ORTSWheelFlangeLength ( 0.62in )
ORTSMaximumWheelFlangeAngle ( 70deg )
ORTSUnbalancedSuperelevation ( 3in )

BrakeEquipmentType ( "Handbrake, Triple_valve, Auxilary_reservoir, Emergency_brake_reservoir" )
BrakeSystemType ( "Air_single_pipe" )

comment ( Load/Empty valve? = Yes )

MaxBrakeForce ( 45.88kN )
MaxHandbrakeForce ( 45.88kN )
NumberOfHandbrakeLeverSteps ( 100 )
BrakePipeVolume ( 0.49ft^3 )
EmergencyResCapacity ( 0.973ft^3 )

ORTSBrakeShoeFriction ( 0.0 0.49 8.0 0.436 16.1 0.4 24.1 0.371 32.2 0.35 40.2 0.336 48.3 0.325 56.3 0.318 64.4 0.309 72.2 0.304 80.5 0.298 88.5 0.295 96.6 0.289 104.6 0.288)
EmergencyBrakeResMaxPressure( 90 )
TripleValveRatio( 2.5 )
MaxReleaseRate( 50 )
MaxApplicationRate( 50 )
MaxAuxilaryChargingRate( 20 )
EmergencyResVolumeMultiplier ( 1.461 )
EmergencyResChargingRate( 20 )
BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce ( 77 )

Sound ( "..\\..\\TS_COMMON_SOUND\\freight.sms" )

)​

[geepster775]

I haven't done anything with the empties. No 't-us'

[R. Steele]

Houston -- We have a problem

I've changed the Name in my files, also the path to include files. sound etc to conform to my setup, however, I have not changed anything else. Purchased these today and download. Take a look.

I have to ask --- did you make any edits to your files? ( from your response above -- the answer is No? )

Wagon line in all my files have "BETHGON" added....I wonder if they have updated the files since first released?

SIMISA@@@@@@@@@@JINX0D0t______

Wagon ( NDYX_BETHGON_965168_MT

Type ( Freight )

Name ("TS COAL GONDOLA_MT NDYX 965168")

WagonShape ( NDYX_BETHGON_965168_MT.s )

Size ( 3.142m 4.483m 16.121m )
comment ( 21.8t empty, 141t full )
Mass ( 21.8t-us )
WheelRadius ( 18in )

include ( "..\\..\\..\\..\\..\\Common.inc\\TS_COMMON_INC _V3\\Couplers\\Type_F_Coupler.inc" )

ORTSNumberAxles ( 4 )
ORTSNumberBogies ( 2 )
ORTSBearingType ( Roller )

Comment ( fcalc - 70 MPH, Standard Roller, 4 axles, A= 148.5ft^2 , Weight = 21.8 us tons, Cd=1.0 )

ORTSDavis_A ( 105.20lbf )
ORTSDavis_B ( 0.3270lbf/mph )
ORTSDavis_C ( 0.072548lbf/mph^2 )

Comment ( Setting standstill friction equal to Davis A per latest AREMA manual statement that starting resistance is neglibible for roller bearings )

[geepster775]

I did run things through Conbuilder's analysis tools, and was getting an error on the include statement. I replaced the include line with the actual code, the error went away, and then changed the name line via Conbuilder's 'Edit this unit' function. I wonder if it stripped out the '-us' on the save, with the app not familiar with that unit of measurement?

[R. Steele]

I wonder if it stripped out the '-us' on the save, with the app not familiar with that unit of measurement?

I suppose that's possible. Out of my expertise...Charles Stagg might know for sure.

I would not use ConBuilder for TS new files...they are strictly OR...CoinBuilder is not coded for inc files...so any warnings/errors are nonsense. I'd do a separate/new reinstall from exe file and take a look at the files. I really did think you'd simply misread the mass statement in file...my apologies.

[R. Steele]

Made consist and tested in route in OR....got warnings about coupler not being found --- none of the cars load...looking into it.

EDIT 1:57pm --- all okay, my error --- include file works fine. No need to copy it into all the wag files...unless that's your procedure. If the include path is correct --- the coupler will load and work.