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    Thanks Bob Wirth for another great Route!!

    Getting ready to test Bob's latest route, the Marceline Sub. Here's No. 18 ready at Kansas City Union Station ready for the last leg into Chicago.

    It's incredible to think that every mile of track from Chicago to Los Angeles (and San Diego) is now represented in MSTS/Open Rails. Many thanks to all involved for making such a thing a reality for all us to enjoy! Union Station Doc Photos003.jpg

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    I too am just getting everything ready to test out this route! Bob has certainly set the bar very high! I love all his routes and activities.

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      #3
      Thanks Bob! I ran from Argentine to Marceline this evening and hopefully will have time to complete the run from Marceline to Ft Madison tomorrow.

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        #4
        Here are a few screens from my first runs.
        Open Rails 2015-09-14 04-29-58.jpgOpen Rails 2015-09-14 04-30-31.jpgOpen Rails 2015-09-14 04-31-33.jpgOpen Rails 2015-09-14 10-01-03.jpgOpen Rails 2015-09-14 10-02-58.jpg

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          #5
          A few more.
          Open Rails 2015-09-14 10-04-23.jpgOpen Rails 2015-09-15 10-05-27.jpgOpen Rails 2015-09-15 10-05-54.jpg

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            #6
            Not being funny, but is that the finished route?
            Geoff
            Dorset - near The Swanage Railway.
            UK

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              #7
              Originally posted by lateagain View Post
              Not being funny, but is that the finished route?
              Yes. It was built for operations, not for sightseeing.

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                #8
                Originally posted by dcarleton View Post
                Yes. It was built for operations, not for sightseeing.
                ???? ....never found scenery impaired "operations" in any route! Horses for courses ....but personally a "route" is way more than track for me.
                Geoff
                Dorset - near The Swanage Railway.
                UK

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by lateagain View Post
                  ???? ....never found scenery impaired "operations" in any route! Horses for courses ....but personally a "route" is way more than track for me.
                  It's obvious You never drove through Kansas. Not by any means knocking the Great State of Kansas, but it is pretty flat, with long stretches between towns. So to me it looks pretty spot on. Same can be said of Nebraska, Iowa, and South Dakota. In fact on the Interstate Hwys, in those States, every now and then the roadway swerves back and forth, to make sure You're paying attention / awake because it is so flat.

                  Stefan

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by opskeeper View Post
                    It's obvious You never drove through Kansas. Not by any means knocking the Great State of Kansas, but it is pretty flat, with long stretches between towns. So to me it looks pretty spot on. Same can be said of Nebraska, Iowa, and South Dakota. In fact on the Interstate Hwys, in those States, every now and then the roadway swerves back and forth, to make sure You're paying attention / awake because it is so flat.

                    Stefan
                    I refer you to the initial screenshot and what it supposedly shows?

                    The forums are full of WIP shots so my question was simply to determine if the scenery was finished? If anyone wants to drive hundreds of miles across featureless terrain that's fine but if the populated areas are equally sparsely sceneried it's not a route that would interest me. I take it from the replies so far that it is a finished route?
                    Geoff
                    Dorset - near The Swanage Railway.
                    UK

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by lateagain View Post
                      I refer you to the initial screenshot and what it supposedly shows?

                      The forums are full of WIP shots so my question was simply to determine if the scenery was finished? If anyone wants to drive hundreds of miles across featureless terrain that's fine but if the populated areas are equally sparsely sceneried it's not a route that would interest me. I take it from the replies so far that it is a finished route?
                      As a Midwestern "Farm Boy", (ie. a way Upper Midwestern Farm Boy.) the point I am making is, that this Route shows really how the towns are. The center of the town I am from is nothing more than a red blinking traffic light in the Highway, surrounded by 3 Bars, (Pubs), a General Store, 2 Gas Stations, and a Post Office. Blink Your eyes and You missed it. Up until the early 70's we did have daily train traffic. Next to the where tracks were there was a little one room station, a siding with a freight ramp, and a fuel tank. Of course now the old right-of-way is part of a long biking-hiking trail. So if You are interested in more scenery, than You are right the Kansas Route is not one for You.

                      Stefan

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by opskeeper View Post
                        As a Midwestern "Farm Boy", (ie. a way Upper Midwestern Farm Boy.) the point I am making is, that this Route shows really how the towns are. The center of the town I am from is nothing more than a red blinking traffic light in the Highway, surrounded by 3 Bars, (Pubs), a General Store, 2 Gas Stations, and a Post Office. Blink Your eyes and You missed it. Up until the early 70's we did have daily train traffic. Next to the where tracks were there was a little one room station, a siding with a freight ramp, and a fuel tank. Of course now the old right-of-way is part of a long biking-hiking trail. So if You are interested in more scenery, than You are right the Kansas Route is not one for You.

                        Stefan
                        LOL! ....well Stefan as a "City Boy" born and bread, I can't tell you how idyllic that scene sounds to anyone who ever spent any of their lives pressed into a hot "non air-conned" overcrowded commuter train . However Kansas City is far closer in scenery to London than your hometown and in fact the "wide open spaces" are some of THE most difficult to make convincing scenery for. When I grew up I was right on the edge of NE London. 20 minutes SW and I was into the Cramped and Crowded East End of London and 20 minutes NE and I was into the Essex Countryside, which when I was young was still completely rural and the edge of East Anglia's Farm Land. The largest "Flatlands" in the UK are around Lincolnshire.

                        Whatever the scenery it's the attention to detail that makes it a great route for me. Accuracy of track layout seems rather secondary? After all not many Railways or Railroads anywhere have not had their tracks changed as the needs and economic fortunes of the operating company changes. Where I grew up in NE London after WWII there were still dozens of freight yards and local stations had sidings. Now all of these have gone, some lines have gone and traffic types have, except commuter traffic, all changed too.

                        Having worked with a team in the UK that produced a major UK route, together with stock pack and activities I fully appreciate what is involved in making a route. Mid East Plus took over 6 years, your side of the pond PRR Eastern took 8 years I believe. Obviously if every route took that long to build we'd not have as many but equally obviously routes produced in shorter time frames are either not going to have the same attention to detail or be as long or wide a coverage?

                        Whilst that's fine for those who don't seek that level of detail it's equally fine for folk who are interested in detail to ask to see what level there is? Luckily most new routes generate screenshot posts which give an idea of detail but may not be representative of the route as a whole or be created on the finished route.
                        Geoff
                        Dorset - near The Swanage Railway.
                        UK

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                          #13
                          Now I see what You are getting at.... The Urban area of Kansas City, not the little whistle stops along the way, not having enough detail. Correct? Then I see Your point. That is why I like the Clinton Sub so much, I think it is good blend of both. My Mother would have loved to live where You were brought-up. She hated to be out in "Middle of Nowhere", and would take off for Duluth, Minneapolis/St Paul, Milwaukee, or Chicago at a drop of the hat. My Parents were a true "Green Acres" couple. My Dad a farmer from Upper Michigan, and My Mother from Manhattan / Long Island NY. Her favorite line was "I hate all these dumb yucky trees," "I want skyscrapers, art museums, and lots of people bustling about" .......

                          Stefan

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                            #14
                            When I did my Kansas Routes, I strove to give a general feel of the route. My track skills (and patience) prevented the level of track accuracy we see in Bob's routes. I used Google maps to get a general idea of the scenery. There is really no way for it to be perfect in a simulator. We have to use our imaginations to an extent.

                            That being said, one of the things I did to learn route building is to make a copy of an existing route and then import scenery items I would like to add like backdrops, streetlights, etc.

                            Then I would modify the route for my own use. I actually had a lot of fun doing it and enjoyed the modified route. This helped me to learn to navigate the RE and not trash a route. Even if I did, there was always a back-up.

                            Basil

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