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    BNSF ET44 Units not displaying correctly

    Hello all, I have a question about the editor, may be something else though. Everything else in my rosters seems to display correctly except for the three BNSF ET44C4 Locos, 3894, 3917 & 3952. When creating a consist I noticed that only the "FA" portion is picked up by TSRE5 Consist Editor v0.7002. The models display fine in SV with both parts showing.
    I have not seen if the appear OK in the sim yet. Nothing showing up in the CE Log file.
    Just wondering if anyone else has had this happen? Thank You.

    #2
    Before anyone spends too much time diagnosing what amounts to an incorrect starter base shape to begin with, has anyone tried mating this T4 F/A with the proper C4 base shape that came with the Mullan addon?
    My Open Rails videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClc...1kBPO2A/videos

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      #3
      bandicam 2021-12-19 13-26-48-900.jpg <<< this what you are looking for?
      Cheers, Gerry
      It's my railroad and I'll do what I want! Historically accurate attitude of US Railroad Barons.
      Forever, ridin' drag in railroad knowledge.
      Audi, Vide, Tace, Si Vis Vivere In Pace

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        #4
        Originally posted by geepster775 View Post
        Before anyone spends too much time diagnosing what amounts to an incorrect starter base shape to begin with, has anyone tried mating this T4 F/A with the proper C4 base shape that came with the Mullan addon?
        I would've figured these ET44AC's had 6 powered axles, and would thus not have the axle weight distribution equipment present on the C4's. Is that not true?
        ~Sean Kelly~
        SP Shasta Route for Open Rails: https://www.trainsimulations.net/sp-shasta
        MRL Mullan Pass for Open Rails: https://www.trainsimulations.net/mullanpass

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          #5
          Originally posted by r. Steele View Post
          [ATTACH=CONFIG]82590[/ATTACH] <<< this what you are looking for?
          yes!

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            #6
            Originally posted by PerryPlatypus View Post
            I would've figured these ET44AC's had 6 powered axles, and would thus not have the axle weight distribution equipment present on the C4's. Is that not true?
            No, you are thinking correctly. ET44AC's are six axle powered with C-C trucks, while the ET44C4's have the A1A-A1A trucks.

            GE's ET44AC was its final production model before the company's transportation division was sold to Wabtec. It remains in production today.
            -Shawn K-
            Derby Rail Shops

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              #7
              Originally posted by geepster775 View Post
              Before anyone spends too much time diagnosing what amounts to an incorrect starter base shape to begin with, has anyone tried mating this T4 F/A with the proper C4 base shape that came with the Mullan addon?
              I just followed what little instruction was included with the set. They are nice looking engines. I do not, nor intend to get the Mulan Route. No funds available.

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                #8
                All the BNSF Tier4s are C4s
                My Open Rails videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClc...1kBPO2A/videos

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                  #9
                  Doh, I had the wires in my brain crossed with my reply, thinking I was replying to something in the CN ET44AC thread... My apologies

                  Like Geepster said, 100% of BNSF's ET44's are C4's with the axle weight distribution equipment on the sides of the trucks. So using an ES44AC shape is really not optimal unless the F/A adds that equipment (although I've seen a handful of users add them to trucks via texture only)
                  ~Sean Kelly~
                  SP Shasta Route for Open Rails: https://www.trainsimulations.net/sp-shasta
                  MRL Mullan Pass for Open Rails: https://www.trainsimulations.net/mullanpass

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                    #10
                    Specs and ORTS diesel engine

                    bandicam 2021-12-19 15-09-23-122.jpg


                    Code:
                    Comment ( VER3 Standard ORTS Diesel Engine for GE ES44C4 )
                    Comment ( AC Traction with 4 powered axles and 2 idler axles and Dynamic Weight Management )
                    Comment ( GE Transpotation Locomotive Data [Power Ratings] & TrainSimulations Engine File )
                    Comment ( ORTSCurtius_Kniffler ( 7.211 38.944 0.161 0.7 ) )
                    Comment ( Frontal Area = cross-sectional-area = 14.3 meters squared = 153.9239ft^2 )
                    Comment ( Power Ratings == Gross HP 4500 == Traction HP 4365 == Rail HP 3760 )
                    Comment ( Continuous Tractive Effort 105000lb @ 14.31mph==86.11%eff. == Starting Tractive Effort 143999lb )
                    Comment ( Weight on Drivers 416000lbs == 188.6944t == metric, Adhesion Factor = 34.62% )
                    Comment ( Mass×Adhesion Factor = Starting Tractive Effort )
                    Comment ( Brake HP -- bhp = Power-at-the-shaft = Gross HP or MaximalPower )
                    Comment ( Gross HP per GE Transpotation technical specs )
                    Comment ( include ( "..\\..\\Common.inc\\Locomotives\\Std_EngV3_ES44C4_TS.inc" ) )
                    
                    ORTSDieselEngines ( 1			
                    	Diesel (		
                    	IdleRPM ( 315 )		
                    	MaxRPM ( 1050 )		
                    	StartingRPM ( 275 )		
                    	StartingConfirmRPM ( 300 )		
                    	ChangeUpRPMps ( 15 )		
                    	ChangeDownRPMps ( 15 )		
                    	RateOfChangeUpRPMpSS ( 5 )		
                    	RateOfChangeDownRPMpSS ( 5 )		
                    	MaximalPower ( 3355650W )		
                    	IdleExhaust ( 0.05 )		
                    	MaxExhaust ( 1.5 )		
                    	ExhaustDynamics ( 0.1 )		
                    	ExhaustDynamicsDown ( 0.05 )		
                    	ExhaustColor ( 00 fe )		
                    	ExhaustTransientColor ( 00 00 00 00 )		
                    	DieselPowerTab (		
                    		0	0
                    		406	419829
                    		499	838913
                    		591	1258742
                    		682	1677825
                    		774	2097654
                    		866	2516738
                    		958	2936567
                    		1050	3355650
                    	)		
                    	DieselConsumptionTab (		
                    		0	0
                    		315	18.2
                    		1050	794.9
                    	)		
                    	ThrottleRPMTab (		
                    		0	315
                    		12.5	406
                    		25	499
                    		37.5	591
                    		50	682
                    		62.5	774
                    		75	866
                    		87.5	958
                    		100	1050
                    	)		
                    	DieselTorqueTab (		
                    		0	0
                    		315	101722
                    		499	64213
                    		591	54217
                    		682	46983
                    		774	41398
                    		866	37000
                    		958	33447
                    		1050	30517
                    	)		
                    	MinOilPressure ( 40psi )		
                    	MaxOilPressure ( 90psi )		
                    	MaxTemperature ( 120degc )		
                    	Cooling ( 3 )		
                    	TempTimeConstant ( 720 )		
                    	OptTemperature ( 90degc )		
                    	IdleTemperature ( 70degc )		
                    	)		
                    )
                    ORTSEmergencyCausesThrottleDown ( 1 )
                    	ORTSWheelSlipCausesThrottleDown ( 1 )
                    	ORTSMainResChargingRate ( 0.75psi/s )
                    	ORTSBrakePipeChargingRate ( 25psi/s )
                    	ORTSEngineBrakeReleaseRate ( 38psi/s )
                    	ORTSEngineBrakeApplicationRate ( 34psi/s )
                    	ORTSBrakePipeTimeFactor ( 0.0034 )
                    	ORTSBrakeEmergencyTimeFactor ( 0.12 )
                    	ORTSBrakeServiceTimeFactor ( 1.46 )
                    	ORTSAirBrakeMainresvolume ( 28.35ft^3 )
                    	TrainPipeLeakRate ( 0.0833psi/s )
                    	TrainBrakesControllerMaxReleaseRate ( 10psi/s )
                    
                    MaxForce ( 640469N )
                    MaxContinuousForce ( 467063N )
                    ORTSSpeedOfMaxContinuousForce ( 14.31mph )
                    ORTSMaxTractiveForceCurves (
                    		0 (			
                    			0	0	
                    			4.32	0	
                    			6.53	0	
                    			9.61	0	
                    			13.63	0	
                    			18.78	0	
                    			23.69	0	
                    			29.06	0	
                    			33.53	0	
                    			38.00	0	
                    			44.70	0	)
                    	0.125 (				
                    			0	80114	
                    			4.32	80114	
                    			6.53	53027	
                    			9.61	36009	
                    			13.63	25384	
                    			18.78	18433	
                    			23.69	14608	
                    			29.06	11911	
                    			33.53	10323	
                    			38.00	9109	
                    			44.70	7742	)
                    	0.25 (				
                    			0	160228	
                    			4.32	160228	
                    			6.53	106053	
                    			9.61	72017	
                    			13.63	50767	
                    			18.78	36866	
                    			23.69	29215	
                    			29.06	23821	
                    			33.53	20645	
                    			38.00	18217	
                    			44.70	15484	)
                    	0.375 (				
                    			0	240194	
                    			4.32	240194	
                    			6.53	158982	
                    			9.61	107960	
                    			13.63	76103	
                    			18.78	55265	
                    			23.69	43795	
                    			29.06	35710	
                    			33.53	30949	
                    			38.00	27308	
                    			44.70	23212	)
                    	0.50 (				
                    			0	320308	
                    			4.32	320308	
                    			6.53	212008	
                    			9.61	143968	
                    			13.63	101486	
                    			18.78	73698	
                    			23.69	58403	
                    			29.06	47621	
                    			33.53	41271	
                    			38.00	36416	
                    			44.70	30954	)
                    	0.625 (				
                    			0	400421	
                    			4.32	400421	
                    			6.53	265034	
                    			9.61	179977	
                    			13.63	126869	
                    			18.78	92131	
                    			23.69	73010	
                    			29.06	59531	
                    			33.53	51594	
                    			38.00	45524	
                    			44.70	38695	)
                    	0.75 (				
                    			0	480388	
                    			4.32	480388	
                    			6.53	317963	
                    			9.61	215919	
                    			13.63	152206	
                    			18.78	110530	
                    			23.69	87590	
                    			29.06	71420	
                    			33.53	61897	
                    			38.00	54615	
                    			44.70	46423	)
                    	0.875 (				
                    			0	560502	
                    			4.32	560502	
                    			6.53	370990	
                    			9.61	251928	
                    			13.63	177589	
                    			18.78	128963	
                    			23.69	102197	
                    			29.06	83330	
                    			33.53	72220	
                    			38.00	63723	
                    			44.70	54165	)
                    	1.0 (				
                    			0	640469	
                    			4.32	640469	
                    			6.53	423919	
                    			9.61	287870	
                    			13.63	202925	
                    			18.78	147363	
                    			23.69	116778	
                    			29.06	95219	
                    			33.53	82523	
                    			38.00	72815	
                    			44.70	61893	)
                    		)
                    Cheers, Gerry
                    It's my railroad and I'll do what I want! Historically accurate attitude of US Railroad Barons.
                    Forever, ridin' drag in railroad knowledge.
                    Audi, Vide, Tace, Si Vis Vivere In Pace

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                      #11
                      Some of these replies address my issue, others do not, they are to do with OR-Specific files.
                      My issue is to get the Engine Files to be read correctly and that is what I asked for help with. Sorry for being abrupt, but some posts get derailed quite quickly.
                      Gerry, could you post your Engine file for #3894 please? So I can compare it to mine, just the one would do. I feel that is where something is wrong.
                      Thank you in advance.

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                        #12
                        From what you've described my best guess is that something went awry with the shape files. In any case, here's my eng files and a screenshot of what the images section of the shape file looks like.
                        bandicam 2021-12-21 12-54-11-280.jpg

                        Here's the "wag" section of the engine file that contains the shape information, if you need to see the rest of the file for some reason, let me know.

                        Code:
                        SIMISA@@@@@@@@@@JINX0D0t______
                        
                        Wagon ( BNSF_ET44C4_3894
                        	Type ( Engine )
                        	WagonShape ( BNSF_ET44C4_3894.s )
                        	FreightAnim ( 3894_T4parts.s 1 1 )
                        	Size ( 3.594m 4.431m 22.3m )
                        	Comment ( 412,000 lbs )  
                        	Mass ( 186.8t )
                        	WheelRadius ( 42in/2 )
                        	InertiaTensor ( Box ( 3.594m 4.431m 21.7m ) )
                        	Coupling (
                        		Type ( Automatic )
                        		Spring (
                        			Stiffness ( 4e2N/m 6e6N/m )
                        			Damping ( 5e6N/m/s 5e6N/m/s )
                        			Break ( 5.1e7N 5.1e7N )
                        			r0 ( 12cm 15cm )
                        		)
                        		CouplingHasRigidConnection ( 1 )
                        		Velocity ( 0.2m/s )
                        	)
                        	Coupling (
                        		Type ( Automatic )
                        		Spring (
                        			Stiffness ( 4e2N/m 6e6N/m )
                        			Damping ( 5e6N/m/s 5e6N/m/s )
                        			Break ( 5.1e7N 5.1e7N )
                        			r0 ( 12cm 15cm )
                        		)
                        		Comment ( CouplingHasRigidConnection ( 1 ) )
                        		Velocity ( -0.2m/s )
                        	)
                        	Buffers (
                        		Spring (
                        			Stiffness ( 1e6N/m 5e6N/m )
                        			Damping ( 1e6N/m/s 1e6N/m/s )
                        			r0 ( 0m 1e9 )
                        		)
                        		Centre ( 0.5 )
                        		Radius ( 1 )
                        		Angle ( 0.5deg )
                        	)
                        	Adheasion ( 0.49 0.69 2 0 )
                        	DerailRailHeight ( 4cm )
                        	DerailRailForce ( 2.5*186.8t )
                        	DerailBufferForce ( 545kN )
                        	NumWheels ( 12 )
                        	Friction (
                        		1855.3N/m/s    -0.10    1.5mph    26.080N/m/s    1.286
                        		5.1N/rad/s		1		-1rad/s		0		1
                        	)
                        
                        	BrakeEquipmentType ( "Triple_valve, Auxilary_reservoir, Emergency_brake_reservoir" )
                        
                        	BrakeSystemType ( "Air_single_pipe" )
                        	MaxBrakeForce( 111.3kN )
                        
                        	EmergencyBrakeResMaxPressure( 110 )
                        	TripleValveRatio( 2.5 )
                              EmergencyResVolumeMultiplier ( 1.461 )
                        	MaxReleaseRate( 0.49 )
                        	MaxApplicationRate( 0.93 )
                        	MaxAuxilaryChargingRate( 0.28 )
                        	EmergencyResCapacity( 8.7 )
                        	EmergencyResChargingRate( 0.24 )
                        	BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce( 66 )
                        
                        	IntakePoint ( 3.33 0.4 FuelDiesel )
                        
                        	Lights (
                        OpenRails folder include file for #3894, if anyone is interested. I'm still looking for sources to check accuracy on some of the new derailment measurements...car body length, coupler face, etc.--- at the moment I'm assuming they are the same as the ES44AC locomotive. Anyone with sources/docs on these?

                        Code:
                        include ( "..\\BNSF_ET44C4_3894.eng" )
                        Wagon (
                        	Mass ( 188.694t )
                        	include ( "..\\..\\..\\..\\..\\Common.inc\\Locomotives\\Couplers\\Std_TypeF_TIGHT_Coupler.inc" )
                        	include ( "..\\..\\..\\..\\..\\Common.inc\\Locomotives\\Brakes\\Std_Loco_Brakes.inc" )
                        	ORTSAdhesion ( ORTSCurtius_Kniffler ( 7.211 38.952 0.161 0.7 ) )
                        	ORTSAdhesion ( ORTSSlipWarningThreshold ( 62 ) )
                        	ORTSNumberAxles ( 2 )
                        	ORTSNumberBogies ( 2 )
                        	ORTSLengthBogieCentre ( 16.1544m )
                        	ORTSLengthCarBody ( 20.1m )
                        	ORTSLengthCouplerFace ( 22.25m )
                        	ORTSWagonFrontalArea ( 153.9239ft^2 )
                        	ORTSRigidWheelBase ( 4.0132m )
                        	ORTSWheelFlangeLength ( 19.1516mm )
                        	ORTSMaximumWheelFlangeAngle ( 1.308996rad )
                        	ORTSBearingType ( Low )
                        	ORTSDavis_A ( 1816.68 )
                        	ORTSDavis_B ( 41.3951 )
                        	ORTSDavis_C ( 8.222643 )
                        	ORTSTrackGauge ( 1435.1mm )
                        	ORTSUnbalancedSuperelevation ( 2.56in )
                        	Comment( == Assumptions -Locomotive diesel/electric - speed - 65mph (105km/h), Low Torque Bearing, 6 axles, frontal area - 14.3m2, WagonWeight - 188.7 ton (metric), Drag 1.0 == )
                        )
                        Engine (
                        	Effects (
                        		DieselSpecialEffects (
                        			Exhaust1 (
                        			0 4.53 -2.801
                        			0 1 0
                        			0.27
                        			)
                        		)
                        	)
                        	ORTSDriveWheelWeight ( 188.694t )
                        	ORTSNumberDriveAxles ( 4 )
                        	include ( "..\\..\\..\\..\\..\\Common.inc\\Locomotives\\Std_Eng_ET44C4.inc" )
                        	include ( "..\\..\\..\\..\\..\\Common.inc\\Locomotives\\Brakes\\Dynamic\\ES44AC_188-7t_DynBrakes.inc" )
                        )
                        Cheers, Gerry
                        It's my railroad and I'll do what I want! Historically accurate attitude of US Railroad Barons.
                        Forever, ridin' drag in railroad knowledge.
                        Audi, Vide, Tace, Si Vis Vivere In Pace

                        Comment


                          #13
                          Thank you. I will check it against mine and hopefully I can find something. They are nice looking engines.

                          Have a Merry Christmas and may the New Year bring you and Your Family' more Joy!

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                            #14
                            Hi Don,
                            Going back to your original post. You reported that TSRE5 CE didn't show the main loco shape.
                            This might be a silly question, but have you copied the main loco shape files from the SLI Mactier Stock set? The readme specifies that shape file CP_GEVO_9365.s should be copied from folder SLI_CPR_GEVOS together with the Cabview and Sound folders. The shape file is incorrect - it should be CP_ES44AC_9365.s (at least it is in my downloaded pack!).
                            Also the readme includes the line : ex: CP_GEVO_9365.s ------> BNSF_ET44AC_3857.s
                            ... it should read : ex: CP_ES44AC_9365.s ------> BNSF_ET44C4_3894.s

                            ... and, to match the existing .sd and .eng files, the other locos should be renamed as BNSF_ET44C4_3917.s and BNSF_ET44C4_3952.s respectively, not as shown in the readme.

                            Cheers,
                            Ged

                            Comment


                              #15
                              Yes! I discovered that is were the error was from Gerry's posting of his files. It led me in the right direction and now you have confirmed it.

                              Thank you very much, your help is very appreciated, especially when my old brain needs a little jolt!

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