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    #16
    Hello:
    I usually use Linux Mint. I only have Windows 7 to use MSTS.
    Exclusively for that simulator.
    All the best​
    Juan

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      #17
      If you are behind a router, you are safe enough.

      Microsoft do have a vested interest here, the get their OS on nearly every machine sold.

      They also own a large percentage of the worlds pc manufacturing business.

      I still run a win7 laptop here, and a win10 desktop that will run here for at least 10 years.

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        #18
        When MS got going their contracts with the computer manufacturers was that they got royalties on every computer they made, regardless of who's operating system they used. Therefore the manufactures weren't interested in using any other operating systems even though some were better. That's how MS got the market locked up with WIndows. So we're all stuck with MS ( which to me means More S#!t ), as they build in obsolescence, and stop supporting and upgrading their older version so you have to keep buying their new s#!t. Why I keep my old XP and am considering resurrecting either an old 95 or 98 system I still have.
        Owner and CEO of Hart Rail Lines & Hart Commuter Railways, and Hart Rail Cars.
        It's my Train Sim world so I run HART RL anywhere I want.

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          #19
          Many have lamented that millions of pre-2018 pc's that can't run Windows 11 will be cast into landfills or recycled. Sadly, recycling is a joke - look at the numbers, look at the state that industry is in. Some poor sod in Bangladesh will incinerate old pc's in an open burn pit and pull out wiring with a rake. And in the meantime, big organizations boast about their recycling numbers. What's actually likely to happen is that, as we see on here, many people will just just keep running their Windows 10 machines after updates end and it becomes an increasingly risky situation. A huge ghetto of unsupported pc's will make the Internet an even darker place conducive to hacks and malware.

          Right now at the university where I work, upgrades to Windows 11 have started in earnest. Organizations based on Microsoft software have no choice. Home users can isolate their Windows 10 machines, unplug and quarantine. Windows 11's been called the "unnecessary upgrade", and its ill-conceived user interface quirks are, indeed, a constant nuisance. But Microsoft considers it necessary, a clean break with pre-2018 cpu tech and inherent flaws. One account says Windows 11 was a result of pressure from the feds and industry leaders after the Colonial pipeline hack that cut off gasoline supplies to New England, before that Microsoft pitching the idea of software as a service, Windows 10 being the last numbered version, to be continually updated with a new name, just "Windows". I'm not fond at all of Windows 11, but I'm not enough of a Luddite to try to keep an unsupported Windows 10 running after it's orphaned.

          And, no, Linux is no replacement for Windows. I run Ubuntu Linux on multiple systems at home and at work. Great at specific jobs, terrible at others, not viable as a daily driver computer in a Microsoft Windows world. Sure, great for grandma who only watches cat videos on YouTube and checks her email, i.e. great for someone who doesn't do much with a computer. Great for doing things that only Windows Server can do, and does so without Windows Server - like useable, robust RAID storage and such. Printing is primitive and limited, blame printer vendors all you want, but it's still a Linux problem. "Works most of the time", "almost", "nearly" doesn't cut it with computer compatibility.
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          FTLDave

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            #20
            It isn't that important to upgrade to Windows 11 if you don't want to. There are rumors that there will be a 24H2 feature update for Windows 10 and Microsoft as announced that they will extend support of Windows 10 past the October 2025 to consumers at a cost. So there should be no hurry to switch. I work as a computer and networking repair specialist and I know many people that haven't switched.

            But, there is a misconception out there that you need a 2018 or higher computer to run windows 11. This is not true. The computer I am on right now is a Dell T5500 workstation from 2011 and it is running Windows 11. There are workarounds to install Windows 11 on any Ryzen or Core processors. The only drawback on that is Windows will not support it, and if it suddenly quits working you might be screwed. Since I am a computer tech that is not a problem for me or my customers, because I will support windows 11 on non-supported hardware for as long as I can.

            The choice is up to you, there shouldn't be a problem staying with Windows 10 and there are workarounds if you want to upgrade your unsupported machine to Windows 11. Either way, it is a personal decision and there is no correct answer, in my opinion.
            Pacific Northwest Railfan

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              #21
              It is definitely a conundrum. My current PC is utterly below the spec for Windows 11 and cannot be significantly upgraded, yet runs most games including the likes of TSW, Snowrunner and even MSFS 2020 pretty well. I’m comfortable with it even if it is old.

              A new PC is going to run to well over £1000 to get a reasonably future proof machine. Not that I can’t afford it, but the wife in particular is not keen on spending money to replace something that works. The other option is to buy the parts to upgrade it, but a new motherboard, CPU, DDR4 memory, probably a new PSU is going to cost upward of £500. Then as Windows will probably detect it as a "new" PC or significant hardware change, probably need to actually buy Win 11 rather than get the free upgrade from 10. There's also the practical issue that my eyesight and dexterity are not what they were - swapping out a component is one thing but a significant rebuild is another.

              However the as the main PC is used for all our e-commerce including banking and utility bills, it cannot be allowed to run without receiving security updates. I don't deliberately frequent the types of site that can give you digital gonorrehea but I had an example last year just how easy it is to pick up a virus or malware. Using the laptop to look for utilities to assist in getting map data into Transport Fever 2, I hit up one site and subsequently was getting pop ups continually running on the machine every few minutes even with the browser closed. I couldn't find or kill the infection so ended up having to reformat and reinstall Windows - and that all occurred with Win 10 security up to date and an ad/pop up blocker in place.

              Guess at some point I will just have to assert my authority and tell the missus we are getting a new PC!
              Vern.

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                #22
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                  #23
                  Some of the things that have been written here do not bear close scrutiny.

                  The reality is that if your just playing mostly games, and newer ones at that, you most likely have to open up your wallet and empty it out on the Windows treadmill. Likewise, in some circumstances if your living is derived solely from a Windows platform, where you are a full time software developer where your shop is living in the Visual Studio ecosystem, then you might not have a choice but to go along with the Windows charade.

                  The falsehoods that other O/S are only good for watching "cat videos" on a Google owned platform is rather unfortunate. If you are not a software developer then the prescribed upgrades are at your financial discretion. At some point for both financial and sanity reasons a long hard look at alternatives would be wise. If you spend a large amount of your time online, where you do banking, read news, read/write emails, some office work, maybe even attend forums such as this one, etc you are wasting your money on using a computer set up for gaming in whatever version of Windows you are "stuck" on.

                  It has been my opinion for some time that the only thing driving these Windows upgrades is of course value for shareholder and ever changing web "standards" that apparently "force" you to upgrade your O/S. The gaming attribute is but a red herring. Really, am I spending thousands on hardware and O/S, just to play games? I perish the thought. Often I feel that the security weakness of these commercial O/S are part of planned obsolescence. The insistence of tying a web browser to an O/S are really the focal points for weakness and obsolescence, not to mention abject failure. Was it just for the ad server, really?!

                  There are choices out there which will save your pocket book from this stupidity, but being stubborn and narrow minded about the solutions will never get you there. I feel quite sorry for those who will not accept alternate solutions, even if those solutions are not a drop in replacement. The more exposure you have to other methods and solutions, the more bizarre will be the discovery of the "not invented here" attitude of the commercial vendor.

                  So you sit at your computer and wonder "should I upgrade" instead of asking "why should I upgrade". If it is security you are worried about then having installed Win XP years ago should have been a "warning shot across your bow". With the ad nauseam " upgrades from your Windows overseer it should have been clear that something is clearly very wrong. The fact that Win 10 had these weekly forced "upgrades" should have set the alarm bells ringing so loudly in your head that it was time to pull the plug on that ethernet connection to your Intel/AMD box.

                  So you sit and wonder is it time to toss out hardware that has served you so well to the whim of the Windows "value for shareholder" corporation. Are we to be that foolish? How is having to throw away good hardware no different from telling you to throw away years of work getting a system set up to do certain tasks and do them with reliable and predictable results. Some have indicated that there are workarounds to not having Windows corporation insist that you toss out you machine when installing the 11 "version", what they also do not tell you is that you make that decision on your own dime. How will you feel when the Windows corporation pulls that plug on that hack? No thanks!

                  There are ways of connecting to the internet to do the mundane stuff, like using a browser that "keeps up" the revolving door of "standards" with little to show except massive bloat, that are safe and secure with your old hardware, especially if you are not watching "cat videos" on that Google owned platform. LIke wise if you must watch those "cat videos", well there are solutions that will allow you do that for a fraction of the cost of "upgrading" your hardware and ad server O/S. If you come to the conclusion that a separation between gaming and other more challenging work is the best solution, you will also come to the conclusion that a "one size" fits all is a complete waste of time and money. With that awareness will come skepticism and the search for "other" ways.

                  Decades and many 10s of thousands of spent "currency" are talking here,😉

                  Steve

                  PS: This was not written on a Windows corporation O/S and does not heat up this room with a 600 watt rig. I save the "room heating" for the times that I want it, at my discretion.

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                    #24
                    We're discussing Windows 11 in the context of Train Simulators. Typically connected to the Internet.

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                      #25
                      Steve, Oh Steve .... I can relate to everything you've written, having had some of those thoughts at one time or 'nuther .... but I think you should get out the old steam iron and get the wrinkles out of those shorts, you sure got 'em in a bunch. 😉😜🤨😖🤪 <<<( don't have clue what all those mean put together like that ?? )
                      Cheers, Gerry
                      "A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open." Frank Zappa
                      It's my railroad and I'll do what I want! Historically accurate attitude of US Railroad Barons.
                      Forever, ridin' drag in railroad knowledge.
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by dcarleton View Post
                        We're discussing Windows 11 in the context of Train Simulators. Typically connected to the Internet.
                        That is not what you asked in your OP, you wanted to know if upgrading was worth it!
                        QED

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by R. Steele View Post
                          Steve, Oh Steve .... I can relate to everything you've written, having had some of those thoughts at one time or 'nuther .... but I think you should get out the old steam iron and get the wrinkles out of those shorts, you sure got 'em in a bunch. 😉😜🤨😖🤪 <<<( don't have clue what all those mean put together like that ?? )
                          Shorts, shorts? Who wears shorts these days? To be a train simmer requires commando style apparel. That machete sure is handy.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by EldoradoRailroad View Post
                            Shorts, shorts? Who wears shorts these days? To be a train simmer requires commando style apparel. That machete sure is handy.
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ID:	2306933Touche' ... a "a man for all reasonings" ( to mangle a phrase ) ... The wit is as sharp as the machete. Be well.
                            Cheers, Gerry
                            "A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open." Frank Zappa
                            It's my railroad and I'll do what I want! Historically accurate attitude of US Railroad Barons.
                            Forever, ridin' drag in railroad knowledge.
                            Audi, Vide, Tace, Si Vis Vivere In Pace

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                              #29
                              No Trouble with Windows 11 Pro here.
                              It's been rock solid stable for me.

                              One question I've seen posted is,

                              "Is it worth the money to upgrade to windows 11?"

                              If you're running any kind of train sims, and your computer is so old you can't run windows 11, then it's worth the money, not for windows 11, but for how much better everything is going to run for you on your new computer.

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                                #30
                                Hi Jack (!!)
                                Originally posted by TrainSimJack View Post
                                If you're running any kind of train sims, and your computer is so old you can't run windows 11, then it's worth the money, not for windows 11, but for how much better everything is going to run for you on your new computer.
                                Hmmmm ..... on what do you base that last phrase?

                                Cheers,
                                Ged

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