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    Running Microsoft Train Simulator on Vista

    Change the icons to “run as administrator”
    (Note that if Microsoft Train Simulator is installed on Vista Service Pack 1 this will be done automatically.)

    1 - Right-click on the icon and open “Properties”

    2 - Open the “Compatibility” tab and check the box to “Run this program in compatibility mode for: Windows XP (Service Pack 2)” and “Run this program as an administrator”.

    3 - Click “OK”.


    Change Security for the Microsoft Train Simulator folder
    Microsoft Train Simulator will run fine without this change – however if you are installing third-party products downloaded from places like TrainSim.Com then this change will allow those products to be used without trouble from the increased Vista security.

    1 - Open Windows Explorer and navigate to the “C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\” folder.

    Figure 1



    2 - Right-click on the “Train Simulator” folder and choose the “Security” tab.

    Figure 2



    3 - Click on the "Advanced" button

    Figure 3



    4 - Click on the "Edit" button and click “continue”.

    Figure 4



    5 - Click on "Edit" and clear the checkbox for “Include inheritable permissions from this object’s parent”. Click on “Copy” in the “Windows Security” box.

    Figure 5



    6 - This will leave the “Advanced Security Settings for Train Simulator” looking like this. Select “Users” under the “Permission entries” (should be the one saying Read & Execute”)

    Figure 6



    7 - Click on "Edit" and check the box under “Allow” for "Full Control" and the box for “Apply these permissions to objects and/or containers within this container only”

    Figure 7



    8 - Then click on ok a few time to close the open windows to finish.


    Warnings!

    Do NOT disable the User Access Control (UAC) as other places giving “advice” about Vista may tell you. UAC is designed to prompt you when something wants to access the core Windows system. Disabling the UAC is like removing the battery from a smoke detector or a carbon-monoxide detector.

    Do NOT apply the changes made to the Microsoft Train Simulator folder to any other folder such C:\Windows or even the entire system hard drive.
    Last edited by mttcrlsn; 03-31-2008, 11:36.
    Matt Carlson
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    #2
    I have two questions, and how they relate to one another:
    1} What about adding the operator -mem:2048 to the shortcut? Any thoughts, and any discussion of value chosen, and how it should be chosen for a given machine setup?
    2} What about running in compatability mode XP? Will this affect memory management, and cancel or cripple the line above?
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      #3
      Originally posted by plainsman View Post
      I have two questions, and how they relate to one another:
      1} What about adding the operator -mem:2048 to the shortcut? Any thoughts, and any discussion of value chosen, and how it should be chosen for a given machine setup?
      2} What about running in compatability mode XP? Will this affect memory management, and cancel or cripple the line above?
      1. I've done that and it seems to help - as I only have 4gb and you should never assign more than half of your physical memory to a single program/process...

      2. It litterally emulates Windows/XP SP2 as an environment - it locks the WOW32 VM (Windows On Windows 32 bit Virtual Machine) into a clone of the user space in XP and responds to supervisor call codes exactly the same - since MSTS is a DirectX v7 game originally written for 98/me this is the closest you are going to get to the original environment....

      P.S. Currently running the PRR Eastern Route beta on Vista 64 SP1 with a QX9650 (3Ghz quad w/unlocked multi) with 4 Gb of DDR3, two WD 320s in raid 0 and a Nvidia (eVGA) 8800 gts-640
      PPS. yes I know I'm bragging ROL - the original testing I did was with Windows XP sp2 on an Athlon 64 X2 4800+ with 2 gigs of ddr400 memory and 2 WD 320s in raid 1 and the above 8800
      Last edited by chucksc; 04-04-2008, 11:36.
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      Chief Cook and Bottle Washer (Virtual CEO)
      North American (Virtual) Locomotive Works

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        #4
        Can the operator be set to say -mem:1536? Does it need to be of a specific value?
        Will running in XP compatability mode, cancel memory usage as defined in the shortcut?
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          #5
          Bob all running in XP compatibility mode does is set the WOW32 Virtual Machine (Emulator) to strict windows XP compatibility - it does nothing to the application you are running - you can set the mem parameter to anything you set it to in XP and it should work identically in both environments - My guess is that the mem parameter must be on a word (4 byte) boundary or maybe a double word boundary... I usually play in multiples of 4096....
          Chuck Schneider
          Chief Cook and Bottle Washer (Virtual CEO)
          North American (Virtual) Locomotive Works

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            #6
            If Vista service pack 1 is installed, then parameter are set automatically.

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              #7
              Originally posted by jamesphh View Post
              If Vista service pack 1 is installed, then parameter are set automatically.
              Read the note careful - Service Pack 1 is already mentioned. Also note that section 2 is not automatic with SP1
              Matt Carlson
              La Crosse, WI
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                #8
                Originally posted by mttcrlsn View Post
                Change the icons to “run as administrator”
                (Note that if Microsoft Train Simulator is installed on Vista Service Pack 1 this will be done automatically.)

                1 - Right-click on the icon and open “Properties”

                2 - Open the “Compatibility” tab and check the box to “Run this program in compatibility mode for: Windows XP (Service Pack 2)” and “Run this program as an administrator”.

                3 - Click “OK”.


                Change Security for the Microsoft Train Simulator folder
                Microsoft Train Simulator will run fine without this change – however if you are installing third-party products downloaded from places like TrainSim.Com then this change will allow those products to be used without trouble from the increased Vista security.

                1 - Open Windows Explorer and navigate to the “C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\” folder.

                Figure 1



                2 - Right-click on the “Train Simulator” folder and choose the “Security” tab.

                Figure 2



                3 - Click on the "Advanced" button

                Figure 3



                4 - Click on the "Edit" button and click “continue”.

                Figure 4



                5 - Click on "Edit" and clear the checkbox for “Include inheritable permissions from this object’s parent”. Click on “Copy” in the “Windows Security” box.

                Figure 5



                6 - This will leave the “Advanced Security Settings for Train Simulator” looking like this. Select “Users” under the “Permission entries” (should be the one saying Read & Execute”)

                Figure 6



                7 - Click on "Edit" and check the box under “Allow” for "Full Control" and the box for “Apply these permissions to objects and/or containers within this container only”

                Figure 7



                8 - Then click on ok a few time to close the open windows to finish.


                Warnings!

                Do NOT disable the User Access Control (UAC) as other places giving “advice” about Vista may tell you. UAC is designed to prompt you when something wants to access the core Windows system. Disabling the UAC is like removing the battery from a smoke detector or a carbon-monoxide detector.

                Do NOT apply the changes made to the Microsoft Train Simulator folder to any other folder such C:\Windows or even the entire system hard drive.
                Hi

                I had a go at this but I think the paths may differ between different iterations of Vista, the pictures would help but all I see are red X's, any idea why, I have Java installed so I am at a loss.

                Any help would be greatly appreciated.

                regards
                Daniel - Sydney (Glad I'm not in Townsville)
                It used to be my favourite place in the world.

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                  #9
                  I use Home Premium and it works fine, even without the pictures showing, the paths are correct. As far as different versions of Vista are cocerned, I think the core programming is identical, it is the extra bits that vary between versions, with the exception of comparing 32 bit with 64 bit.

                  Mervyn
                  Beer is not a matter of life or death, it is much more serious than that.

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                    #10
                    I tried this, but half way while loading the game, it just stops loading and goes back to my desktop.
                    -Angel

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                      #11
                      64 bit vista folder path

                      I've got teh 64 bit version of Home premium SP1 and, by default, it created the standard C:\Program Files folder and in addition, C:\Program Files(x86), where it puts all 32 bit programs, the former being the location of 64 bit ones. When I installed MSTS, it went to the (x86) folder. Being a Monon fan, I've been trying to get Rick's excellent route up and running, but the installme.bat is looking for the sim to be in the usual 32bit folder, on a 32 bit OS. Short of manually editing the file, does anyone have a solution?

                      I've already contacted Rick and he's running a 32 bit OS, therefore, doesn't have this problem. As most seem Vista users seem to be running a 32 bit version, this problem doesn't exist. Thanks in advance, for any solutions.

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                        #12
                        Monon-2

                        David

                        Check your train-sim email.

                        Originally posted by CIL504 View Post
                        I've got teh 64 bit version of Home premium SP1 and, by default, it created the standard C:\Program Files folder and in addition, C:\Program Files(x86), where it puts all 32 bit programs, the former being the location of 64 bit ones. When I installed MSTS, it went to the (x86) folder. Being a Monon fan, I've been trying to get Rick's excellent route up and running, but the installme.bat is looking for the sim to be in the usual 32bit folder, on a 32 bit OS. Short of manually editing the file, does anyone have a solution?

                        I've already contacted Rick and he's running a 32 bit OS, therefore, doesn't have this problem. As most seem Vista users seem to be running a 32 bit version, this problem doesn't exist. Thanks in advance, for any solutions.
                        Rick

                        http:\\mononrr.com

                        MONON-2

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                          #13
                          I tried doing the security fix, but I forgot to Unstore Everything in Train Store.

                          Now, most folders are rendered inaccessible (read or write) without administrative permission.

                          I can display the root of files in the folder, but I can't open them, nor can I display the root of any subfolders.

                          All folders except a few routes and the entire Trains folder are affected.

                          I tried moving everything to a temporary location and then moving it back. No help.

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                            #14
                            Keeping track is hard.

                            Originally posted by Amtrak7 View Post
                            I tried doing the security fix, but I forgot to Unstore Everything in Train Store.Now, most folders are rendered inaccessible (read or write) without administrative permission.I can display the root of files in the folder, but I can't open them, nor can I display the root of any subfolders.All folders except a few routes and the entire Trains folder are affected.I tried moving everything to a temporary location and then moving it back. No help.
                            Did you try setting Administrator rights to those folder?

                            System Restore back to before you did the security update. (i always create a RP before ANY MS updating!)
                            Now open TS and unstore everything.
                            Test MSTS operation and when satisified, run the MS updates again.
                            ............Vince ..............
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                            the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
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                              #15
                              I found a way to fix it:

                              Go to the Advanced Edit for each folder and subfolder. Click Add, and enter USERS, then select Full Control.
                              Last edited by Guest; 04-17-2009, 13:10.

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