"Heller vs DC" decision thread....

[rdamurphy]

An example form Paul's tin-foil hat website:

John McCain: Unfit to serve as Commander-In-Chief
The spoiled son of military privilege got a free ride throughout his military career despite repeated instances of sex scandals and screw-ups

I guess 4 1/2 years of torture and confinement in the Hanoi Hilton translates into a screw-up, a sex scandal, and a "spoiled" military free ride...

Wow, you've stooped to a new low...

Robert

[cp5513]

...he wasn't a "draft-dodger," he was a pilot in the Texas National Guard, and spent over a year on active duty to go to pilot's training. Oddly enough, he spent more actual time on active duty than John Kerry did...

Yes, must have been pretty tense protecting Texas from the Vietcong.
McCain and Kerry got those dream assignments in southeast Asia instead.

[rdamurphy]

And where did you serve?

Am I less of a "Veteran" because there wasn't a war to attend while I was enlisted? And yet when Clinton was elected, we were told by the Left that being a draft-dodger didn't matter, yet when Bush didn't serve in Viet Nam, we were told by the Left that he was a draft-dodger, to the point that a respected member of the media destroyed his own career with fake memos to try to "prove" it. And now we're told by the Left that Obama's complete lack of military experience doesn't matter, and McCain's extensive military experience was "priveleged, free-ride, sex-scandal."

I wish those of you on the Left could get your stories straight. The cognitive dissonance of you leftwing nuts is giving me a headache!

Robert

[Gixxer86g]

The NVA offered McCain an early release from captivity because of that "spoiled military privilege".He refused the offer.

[rdamurphy]

It's not worth trying to engage liberals in discussions about the military, their "heroes" are people like John Kerry who got out of Viet Nam with fake Purple Hearts, came back and told lies about his comrades, John Murtha who was totally wrong about the Marines in Haditha (but that didn't stop him from running off at the mouth about it), and Max Cleland who dropped his own grenade on himself and blew his own legs and an arm off.

Oh, yeah, and the occassional fake soldier that is anti-war...

How can anyone discuss something with people that believe in what Stephen Colbert calls truthiness: "the quality by which one purports to know something emotionally or instinctively, without regard to evidence or intellectual examination." Colbert said that, "I don't trust books, they're all fact, no heart. And that's exactly what's pulling our country apart today. Let's face it folks, we are a divided nation… between those who think with their head and those who know with their heart."

Robert

[Andy J]

HELLER WILL BE DECIDED TOMORROW AT 10AM.....

THIS WAS ANNOUNCED BY THE CHIEF JUSTICE FROM THE BENCH....JUST MOMENTS AGO!!

They will be handing down all remaining decisions at the above time.

You heard this here first...well before the TV news and most other sources!

[rgarber]

It's not worth trying to engage liberals in discussions about the military, their "heroes" are people like John Kerry who got out of Viet Nam with fake Purple Hearts, came back and told lies about his comrades, John Murtha who was totally wrong about the Marines in Haditha (but that didn't stop him from running off at the mouth about it), and Max Cleland who dropped his own grenade on himself and blew his own legs and an arm off.

Oh, yeah, and the occassional fake soldier that is anti-war...

Robert

I believe this to be incorrect. Liberals don't have heroes, their heroes are the 'cause.' People to liberals are expendable, they fill a need, a political means to an end result. There's no real desire for a hero just a means to execute for sake of the cause.

Liberalism by its nature is a fleeting set of causes that jump to any point in a debate to make debate or better yet, to continue debate. Liberals will dump a cause, or a cause-hero, in a heartbeat if the 'cause-hero' tries to become more than the cause itself.

Take Sheehan for example. Big 'cause-hero' up until she violated the cause and attacked Democrats for being just as slovenly in her eyes as the Bush Administration. End result = tossed overboard.

The Cause is the cause of Liberalism, not the topical cause itself. Again using the Sheehan 'fall from grace' was because she attacked both parties for their participation in Iraq. But wasn't that what the cause should have been about all along? Obviously not, judging by the results.

I've only read a few pages of Ann Coulter's book about Liberalism but she's absolutely right. Liberalism isn't a defacto political bias, but rather a religion. Think of it as an encapsuled 60's rebellion bottled in pill form that when taken makes one disagreeable to anything reasonable. A rather harsh claim but essentially a Liberal is someone who abhors the thought of being content. Hence, life is one cause after another to feed the hunger of discontent. And it can't be satisfied either. What changes a Liberal is either time (aging = lessons learned) or a change of heart.

This isn't to say a Liberal can't be right about issues. For instance we should embrace ideas and means for us all to live within a cleaner environment, hence we're better stewards of the planet. However, a Liberal has no limits on excessive compulsion.

Excessive compulsion is simply the inability to reason. For instance, we can't drill offshore by any means because it hurts the environment but they have no problem with foreign off-shore drilling. There's a lack of logic in that, isn't there? Why would someone equate off-shore drilling off of the USA shores to be any different than off-shore drilling anywhere else? Isn't the environment equally effected somewhere else?

Of course it is. But remember the seeds of Liberalism is the seed of discontent. Discontented people are hardly ever reasonable. It's the discontent that motivates the Liberal, for all intents and practical purposes, to masochistically wound himself like a sick person does when his soul is so ravaged by depression.

Of course there are degrees to which one will be Liberal. But as one fortifies his liberalism with causes, he/she becomes the vessel of idealistic vigilante justice which ultimately resorts to 'ends justifies the means' tactics so the results are far worthier than any individual could ever be.

So there are no heroes in Liberalism. It is a religion of discontent whereby the wounds are inflicted on society while the liberal himself will seek to satisfy himself, even if it means rejecting the cause. Oh oh, that sounds like a contradiction. Yes, it is! That's part of the component of Liberalism. That the cause is good for everybody else, but the Liberal who professes it. It's your job to suffer, it's your job to conserve, it's your job, but not mine... if we're ever going to succeed with the cause. That's the inner voice of the liberal speaking.

The Liberal like anybody else, wants to be happy. It's human nature to want to be happy. So there is a conflict in Liberals as well. And when opportunity opens up, will they be so foolish as to pass up a good thing? Of course not. Hence we have books about Liberals who preach a thing and then do the very thing they preach against.

Anything and everything is vulnerable to the cause. For instance, I just saw a county or state ready to ban drive-thrus for the environment sake. To what end will this sacrifice for the environment end? I will tell you. It will end when enough Liberals are inconvienced that their own cause they fought for becomes the seed for their discontent. Yes, Liberals for Progress. You just wait, it will happen. Because it's not the cause that ultimately needs satisfying, it's the discontent.


Anyway, that's my observations on who and what Liberals are.

[Paul1953]

An example form Paul's tin-foil hat website:



I guess 4 1/2 years of torture and confinement in the Hanoi Hilton translates into a screw-up, a sex scandal, and a "spoiled" military free ride...

Wow, you've stooped to a new low...

Robert

You should know from low. The moral high ground is still way outside your grasp.

[cp5513]

Robert, you’re style of debate is sadly typical of the ideologues on the extreme left & right of your nation’s politics. Taking attacks personally, and then attacking personally in response. Also raising all sorts of irrelevant side-attacks and meaningless questions as to cloud the discussion and change the debate somehow in your favour.

I wish those of you on the Left could get your stories straight. The cognitive dissonance of you leftwing nuts is giving me a headache!

FACT: Bush Jr served in Texas
FACT: Kerry & McCain served in ‘Nam
Personally I don’t like Kerry much either, but regardless of whatever he truly faced in Vietnam, he was there.

Also for what it’s worth, I’m the other kind of ‘Lib …Libertarian. I believe in much of what you do, put pardon me if I feel that the only wars that should be fought are just wars, WWII being the only one that fits that description in the past 100 years. Iraq is a colonial war being waged with regular soldiers …bad idea, not a good historical track record of successes there. I don’t think very highly of Bush & co for this, somehow that makes me a left-wing extremist as you paint all who disagree with you. So I guess I am a lefty-loonie extremist along with George Washington, as I agree totally with his views on foreign entanglements.

[rgarber]

Robert, you’re style of debate is sadly typical of the ideologues on the extreme left & right of your nation’s politics. Taking attacks personally, and then attacking personally in response. Also raising all sorts of irrelevant side-attacks and meaningless questions as to cloud the discussion and change the debate somehow in your favour.

Nah, see, you've just done your second backhanded swipe at Bob and now you put on this pretty face like it's all Bob's doing. Tsk tsk. Play nice Ted. Look what you just did. Your out there saying what?

"you’re style of debate is sadly typical.."
"Also raising all sorts of irrelevant side-attacks and meaningless questions as to cloud the discussion and change the debate somehow in your favour."

And you did just what? Sadly this style is typical of those who prefer manipulations than discussion. Earlier you made a swipe at GW without benefit of explanation. Bob answered you. You took insult and now you label Bob an idealogue typical of that type and then you insult him back by stipulating his assertions are meaningless and irrelevant.

That's nasty stuff coming from someone NOW trying to take the high road.

Come 'on, we're smarter than that Ted. Give us credit for having a brain. Say your piece with respect and explain yourself. 30 second sound byte attacks are gonna raise Bob's ire like anybody else. But don't put on the pretty make-up like you didn't derserve this.

Hey mods, I'm having to chaperone again!!

[Gixxer86g]

John Murtha,the POS that proves that the saying"Once a Marine always a Marine" is untrue.I know a lot of ex-Marines that would skin him alive if they had the chance.

[Vince]

Inconvienient Truths Are Upsetting the Neo-Cons

Well, with all the bluster and screaming, Vince, you still haven't told us anything that anyone has done that's illegal or un-Constitutional, and regardless of your ranting, he wasn't a "draft-dodger," he was a pilot in the Texas National Guard, and spent over a year on active duty to go to pilot's training. ..............
Now. Do you want to talk about John McCain's military experience?
Robert

re:bush

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/09/08/bush_fell_short_on_duty_at_guard/

So yes Robert, Bush is a draft dodging megalomaniac little pissant. A snake.

McCain; Sure, lets talk about him; I'm okay with him. His lack of experience (presidential) is troubling; But then does anybody except a second term President have 'presidential experience' ?


>>".....you still haven't told us anything that anyone has done that's illegal or un-Constitutional, ......."

Oh? So warrantless wiretapping outside the jurisdiction of the FISA court is legal and constituional?

It seems that I have upset the neo-cons here in the yard. I was willing to drop this and get back to route building but since the neo-cons have decided to continue, hey, I'm game. Thought you would get to dance on the wreckage of my posts? Well as we used to say in my outfit, 'go see the chaplain and have him punch your TS card then get back to work'.

And I say to you idiots that respond to valid constitutional questions with stuff like;
" I question if you REALLY served", and
" the diet of Polar Bears is..." and
" the north pole is south"
" you must be a frikkin' liberal" (paraphrasing here)
on and on ad nausaeum and much more keyboard diarrhea. Well neo's, "shove it where the sun dont shine."

It seems when confronted by 'inconvient truths' they resort to personal attacks.
Garber: >>"....Point by point, you're nauseating loud as of late and your incredible spelling/grammar issues make Bush look like a Harvard graduate. Talk about diarrhea of the keyboard, your foaming is so loud we can hear you upstairs in the other forums. ....."<<Right on target Garber. spelling and grammar. Ooooo, thats right up there with Polar Bears eating Penguins 24,000 miles away from their habitat. Good one Garber.

And as far as 'diarrhea of the keyboard' goes. Yeah, I'll admit to that. It is however, a much sweeter liquor than the subornation of the Constitution I see going on, something that I do not subscribe to. Just the simple fact that you decided to jump in here with an opening personal attack speaks volumns. So take my verbal diarrhea......and shove it!
Oh, and an appeal to the Mods too.
You're pathetic, but I will defend your right to BE pathetic! . . . Or anything else you want. Just stay away from the Constitution huh.

If anyone does ANYTHING that is in conflict with the Constitution of the United States of America OR SUPPORTS anything OR ANYONE who is doing ANYTHING that is in conflict with the Constitution of The United States of America, then plain and simple; Your a damnd traitor to the United States. End of story.

See? I'm being nice here. I'm not personally attacking anyone. I'm just stating a simple fact. I'll fully defend anyones right to dissent but dissent does not cover suborning the Constitution of the United States of America. That is a line we must not cross.

Here's my bottom line;
Sorry for the inconvienient truth, but don't mess with my Constitution!
and oh, as for the horrible spielling and gremmer. effoff

[kevarc]

"McCain; Sure, lets talk about him; I'm okay with him. His lack of experience (presidential) is troubling; But then does anybody except a second term President have 'presidential experience' ?"

And obama's are???????? A one term senator that has done absolutly NOTHING.

[rgarber]

Vince,

You need to get the facts straight, Postal Vince:

"I was willing to drop this and get back to route building but since the neo-cons have decided to continue, hey, I'm game. Thought you would get to dance on the wreckage of my posts?"

Uh huh... but you also wrote:

"It seems when confronted by 'inconvient truths' they resort to personal attacks.
Garber: >>"....Point by point, you're nauseating loud as of late and your incredible spelling/grammar issues make Bush look like a Harvard graduate. Talk about diarrhea of the keyboard, your foaming is so loud we can hear you upstairs in the other forums. ....."<<Right on target Garber. spelling and grammar. Ooooo, thats right up there with Polar Bears eating Penguins 24,000 miles away from their habitat. Good one Garber."

Uh, Vincey dear, that was written before you did your so called signing off to do the route, NOT AFTERWARDS. Wait, let me try this too. NOT AFTERWARDS! Look I added some extra CGI, just for you. Why don't you go back and check the record, sweetie. Makes you look just a wee bit off your rocker misinformed on your facts. *whispers* Remember that whole thing about diarrhea of the keyboard? You're doing it again.

*clears throat* And how smart do you look, sir, when you criticize the intelligence of somebody else, and you can't put two sentences together without a mispelled word? That was my point. Think of it as looking both ways before you cross the street. You do do that Vince, don't you?

Anyway, I don't know what kind of animal fetish thing you got going on there Postal Vince but learn to move on. We call it growing up. Think of it this way, Vince. If Bob and them upset you, don't read what they write. You don't have to retort. We can keep things on a even keel in here. So try and play nice and get along with the rest of the kiddies.

Post away, but use the Thorazine first. You seem just a wee bit more aggitated than maybe is good for your health.

[rgarber]

And just a wee bit more Vincey.

"Oh, and an appeal to the Mods too.
You're pathetic, but I will defend your right to BE pathetic! . . . Or anything else you want. Just stay away from the Constitution huh."

*sigh* That was a joke Postal Vince.

When we want the mods to be alerted, we press the Alert link. We don't cry out at the end of a post.

Wait a second Vince, I got something here for you.



Does that make ya feel just a little better now?