Im not anti-gun, but I do concede this is where gun advocates and collectors lose credibility in what their take on the 2nd amendment stands for.
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Originally posted by Kenny1234 View Post
Loose Credibility?? An accident happened, and you want to dance in blood??
This is THE FIRST, accident at a class III shoot I HAVE EVER, heard of. Yet so far this high school football season, 2 kids that I know of, have already died during practice and games...
Actually, statistically, shooting sports are among the SAFEST sports..
If you would have took even a cursory look at the facts, you would have KNOWN that.
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Kenny, Lets keep things in perspective. This was no ordinary gun show or gun club. Everyone there has to have a special ATF approved Federal gun license just to be in possession of an automatic weapon. Those are next to impossible to get. Period.
Hand held automatic weapons, with few exceptions, tend to climb when firing. The uzi pistol, firing straight line, tends to stay on target. The AR-15 does as well. I know that for a fact having used one in the military. I also know that the BAR will walk badly firing automatic, a fact you quickly learn in training.
Who knows what the kid's father was thinking? Guess he figured that the uzi would stay on target with the 8 year old firing it. He guessed wrong as the uzi took off on this kid who didn't let go of the trigger fast enough.
You can rest assure that there will be a detailed investigation in this accident from local officials to the ATF. Needless to say, the antis will make hay for months about this accident for their own political gains.
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Nothing wrong with teaching an 8 y.o. how to shoot. But if the muscular capacity to control recoil from an automatic weapon is not there in an 8 y.o. then you stick to single shot weapons where the lack of control over recoil doesn't result in additional rounds going off recklessly. Thats common sense, and when people bypass such common sense amid their 2nd amendment blindness, then yes, they ruin their own credibility. You know, that outcome based education finally arrives at the firing range.Comment
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Guys, go back and read what Kenny wrote.
He's right. I agree with Kenny 100%, spot on.
The Second Amendment is hard enough to defend without giving the "Brady Bunch" ammo to fire at us with.
It's irresponsible and stupid to allow an 8 year old to fire a full auto weapon. That's from an individual who fired his first full auto weapon at 15...
It's hard to make a point shooting sports are safe when dillweeds like the above article do incredibly stupid things like pretending a full auto weapon is safe for a child.
Personally, I would roundly reject calling this a "self inflicted" gunshot wound and I would call it felony child neglect - I don't let my 10 year old drive my Jeep for the very same reason I wouldn't let her fire a .454 Casull.
Even in the Army, we locked down full auto machine guns for troops to get their first experience with them, mounted on a tripod, T&E mechinism locked. After familiarization, and making sure they could handle the weapon SAFELY, we fired qualification with them. (I qualified Expert with the M-60 Machine Gun, BTW....)
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Im with you on this Robert.Originally posted by rdamurphy View PostFrank Roberts
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When Hell freezes over?
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Hell, Michigan, always freezes over every winter.
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As a gun totting citizen and someone who qualified on a M-60, M-240, M-2, Mark 19, and M-259, I agree, this father was an idiot and should be in jail for a long time. Automatic weapons are no joke and require the utmost skill, and as Kenny noted physical fortitude to properly handle
In the Marines, we had the 10% rule. 90% are good, follow the rules, and represent the Corps with honor. But you always have the 10% who F-it up for the rest. This is what we have with firearms, 90% following the rules and using their heads and 10% adding gasoline to the Brady Bunch fire.Comment
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Darn it I have to agree with Kenny on this. You don't place weapons like an uzi in the hands of one so young, no matter how well supervised. There are just to many things that can go wrong, and in this case did. Now the parents and the supervisor have to live with this for the rest of there lives. I hope God grants them some peace after there well intentioned but stupid act.sigpic
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WOW, I am so used to you tossing Handgranades around here, I should have looked closer at your post..Originally posted by Kenny1234 View Post
I concur, I, as a gun collector with kids, have not put anything more powerful than a M1 Carbine rifle, in my kids hands, and that was when she was 10, my son who is 9 has yet to shoot anything more powerful than a single shot .22
It is not just the fathers fault, it is the instructor fault as well, someone should have known better.
Even if they are mentally ready for more "dangerous weaponry" their small hands, and weak bodies, are not.http://intrepidappalachian.blogspot.com/
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I would also carefully consider ANY fully automatic weapon, for a deeper insight into why I say that, google "squib round."
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Squibs wont cycle the weapon, so you get plenty of warning, also, need to be carefull of "hangfires"Originally posted by rdamurphy View Post
The bane of surplus ammunition....
You get a destinct, "CLICK......BANG!!"
Here is a fellow Train-Sim member and MSTS user, showing us, what a hang fire is, in a Lee Enfield rifle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzTJogE4Rio&fmt=18http://intrepidappalachian.blogspot.com/
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They will a full auto M-16A1. Trust me, I've seen the barrel blow on one with a squib - on semi-auto. Plus, if the weapon does fire, and doesn't kick out the shell, most people just rack a new round and keep firing - not checking the barrel.
We used to call it "pop and no kick" to get the troops to pay attention and not just shove the ouchy round in the chamber...
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