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    Default I'd Like to lead every one in the Pledge of the United States, but the feds will try to kill me now.



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    Default Ummm

    It is not that they are atheists. It is because there are many different religions, some not formal like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, what you believe or I believe may not be what someone else believes and to have a pledge of allegience to anything that is meaningful, you cannot have phrases in it that offends or does not mean anything to other citizens who are using it...

    A lot of people feel that the words "One nation under God.." and "In God We Trust" are pressuring them to adopt anothers beliefs. The USA is not a melting pot but a salad bowl of diverse religious and political beliefs and ethnicity. The diversity should be celebrated in such a way that does not impose another's beliefs on someone else, or appear to impose them.

    Freedom of religion is granted to all. And if you study the documents building the foundation of the United States, church and state were to be kept separate. Those two phrases say it is not separate...

    I'm not trying to start something here, just think about it... People fight and die for our freedoms... for everyone here in the present and in the future...

    In a week we celebrate our Independence, think about what people came here for, what was fought for.... freedom, liberty and justice...






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    Default RE: Ummm

    I'm a bit confused RioGrandedude as to your poll question "Go back to the original pledge?"
    FYI, the "original" pledge was WITHOUT the words "under God" inserted in it. The "original" pledge was changed in 1954 to include these two words.
    So what exactly do you mean by "the original pledge"? Hmmm?
    And do you advocate violating the United States Constitution? Part of it? All of it? Ignoring the parts you don't like?

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    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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    Default Im not touching that subject...

    Im not gonna say anything about this, to much to argue with, and I do not wish to offend anyone, Im sure im not the only one who feels this way.

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    Default RE: Ummm

    It seems to me that a lot of our problems stem from believing nothing. I have my own personal feelings about things, but when it comes to the basics, I wonder where our country is going to be in the future. I for one will not have to put up with all of this political correctness for many years more but I think it is a bunch of crap. When the enemy hit us again, hopefully it will be somewhere else besides New York and then we we see if all these people, where most of this comes from, feel. I spent many years in the military and worked in the Middle East for almost 28 year so I know where I am coming from. If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything, I believe that is a trueism, the song goes.

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    Default RE: Im not touching that subject...

    I agree, let's stick with the trains !!!!!

    Ron K of Rockford

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    Default RE: Ummm

    I don't want my freedom to say "under God" to be removed either.
    nuff said
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    Default RE: Ummm

    Is this mess out in California any surprise?
    This is what you can expect when the uninformed voters continue to believe the liberal propraganda, vote those liberals back into office, and those liberal politicians insist that the only people appointed as judges are liberals.

    Somehow, freedom of religion is being replaced with freedom from religion by the liberals.

    When they succeed in defining the word "people" as refering to the State instead of the individual, you can kiss your individual freedom goodbye.

    SRV Ron

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    Default RE: Ummm

    Please show me where in the United States Constitution you find the words "Seperation of Church and State". The First Ammendment plainly states that there is not to be a government approved religion, can you say Church of England? If the words "under God" offend you dont say the pledge or just don't say those words. No one can force you to say it. I will not dispute the fact that the Pledge was changed in 1954 and it was also changed earlier than that as well to include the Words "the United States of America" the original pledge was actually wrote by a socialist who for some reason didn't even want those words added but was ignored.

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