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    Hello!

    Is there any fireless locomotive for MSTS either in Trainsim as anywhere else?

    Thanks!

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    Hi, By fireless,do you mean Diesel locomotives?

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    Fireless cookers (steam), none that I know of.

    Well, I know of one its not released to the public however.

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    Don't, ronaldparkin, Fireless locomotives, Steam or compressed air.

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    But, this is a photo, don't a MSTS model

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    Quote Originally Posted by puntillowonsik View Post
    But, this is a photo, don't a MSTS model
    He was showing Ronald the photo.
    Nick - Creator of the Virtual Railroading Review Show

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    Are there any updates on this topic?
    I searched the files for "fireless" and "compressed air" and found no relevant results.

    The beauties I attached are
    1955 Jung Pz 20, weighing 5.6 tonnes, and developing 20HP
    1958 Jung Pz 45, weighing 11.3 tonnes, and developing 45HP

    Air pressure in the tanks of these Jung engines ran around 2000 to 2900 psi which is a lot more than the 600 psi used by standard compressed air locomotives in the 1890-1900s and roughly double the 700-1200 psi used in the 1920s.
    According to Prof Statham, air locomotives were not used in British mines. (Presumably he meant in 1951, for they were certainly used in Britain before 1900) They were however extensively used in the Ruhr coal-field in Germany, the number in use rising from 617 to 1223 from 1919 to 1940. Compressed air was produced at the surface by multi-stage compressors, and sent underground via pipes from 1.125 to 2 inches in diameter. The pressure used was from 1800 to 3000 psi. The range of the locomotives used was from 2.5 to 6 miles; charging stations were set at intervals along the mine roadways. From one to nine storage cylinders were used, and the charging time was from 1 to 2 minutes. The smaller engines weighed 6 tons and developed 14 HP, while the larger weighed 10 tons and gave about 40 HP. The usual speed was 6 - 7 MPH, and the tractive effort varied from 990 to 23360 pounds when starting, and 530 to 1700 pounds when running at normal speed.
    For more info see: https://web.archive.org/web/20210402...co/airloco.htm

    edit:
    Good Jung Pz 45 references from Poland
    1.
    https://antygaleria.eu/details.php?image_id=16092
    https://antygaleria.eu/details.php?image_id=16093
    https://antygaleria.eu/details.php?image_id=16094
    https://antygaleria.eu/details.php?image_id=16095
    https://antygaleria.eu/details.php?image_id=16096 (tail cabin)
    https://antygaleria.eu/details.php?image_id=16097 (nose cabin)
    https://antygaleria.eu/details.php?image_id=16098
    2.
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...21_Maja%22.JPG
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...21_Maja%22.JPG
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...21_Maja%22.JPG

    Jung Pz 20 from "Am Lehrstollen" mining museum
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...044_B_W%29.jpg
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...044_C_W%29.jpg
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...044_D_W%29.jpg

    Other interesting pictures
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/C...ng_locomotives
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    Last edited by steamonly; 08-04-2022 at 12:03 PM. Reason: added info on Pz 45

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    Edit time expired and I lost a lot of stuff I added... if anybody is interested on all the reference photos I culled from the net (google images/flickr), please send me a private message.

    For now I will leave you with this cool AEG accumulator-powered locomotive
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/341485...n/photostream/
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/341485...n/photostream/

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    While not as exciting as pneumatic, accumulator-powered locomotives ("acculok") could also be of interest, e.g.

    A. Narrow gauge (600mm-1200mm, could probably run them in Japan standard tracks)

    Bartz/AEG EL9 Akkulok (1950's and 1960's)
    https://rail.lu/materiel/aegel9.html
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/12302478436
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/12302044643

    BBA Akkulok Typ B660
    https://rail.lu/materiel/bbaB660.html (pictured is also a generator tender!)

    SSW 1A2 (1972)
    https://rail.lu/materiel/ssw1A2.html

    BJS Slovakia AE Series (currently in production)
    https://www.bjss.sk/English-UK/Mine-...e-locomotives/

    B. Standard gauge (1435mm) -- there seem to be a lot of these, always built as one-offs for various factories or workshops... so I will mention only a few notable ones

    1911 Acculok made for the Vienna Workshop of the CIWL (operator of the Orient Express...)
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...48516_1911.jpg

    1976 Built by Kummer in Leipzig for the Gottfried Hagen Factory in Köln
    https://www.bahnen-im-rheinland.de/wb/hagen.htm
    https://www.bahnen-im-rheinland.de/wb/hagen4.jpg
    https://www.bahnen-im-rheinland.de/wb/hagen3.jpg

    VGF (Frankfurt) Akkulok
    https://www.bahnbilder.de/bilder/an-...-kam-71515.jpg
    http://www.train-spotter.net/html/in...5/dsc08932.jpg
    information is scarce but this seems to be a semi-autonomous tram also used for freight

    MVG (Gmeinder) Akkulok
    https://trainspo.com/model/6135/
    https://www.u-bahn-muenchen.de/fahrz...euge/akkuloks/
    two were built, one in 1989 and one in 1996; based in München
    can run both from cable and battery; no info on battery autonomy unfortunately

    Wabtec FLXDrive
    https://www.wabteccorp.com/locomotiv...tives/flxdrive
    I only included this locomotive on the list to preempt any jokes coming... but at least they give battery autonomy figures (30 to 40 minutes on full power)


    Unfortunately apart from the AEG (and maybe the BBA...), all the narrow gauge ones are all ugly as sin
    As for fireless steam... we don't talk about that here, because reasons

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