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    Hello. So I was updating my route until I ran into this weird problem. When I tried looking at my route from Open Rail's Track Viewer, I get a message saying Route cannot be loaded. Sorry I loaded another route from the same program and it worked. Next I tried loading the route from the activity editor, the activity editor did loaded when I click on my route, but it did not load the map and the lat/long cords are missing. I loaded the route from the route editor and I get no error along loading it from the simulator.

    The problem seems to have started yesterday. I tried googling this problem before I posted it here, but I seem to not have found results for this problem. Below are screenshots of the problem:

    Loading my route in Open Rails:


    Loading a route in Open Rails (in this case, the Tokyo - Hakone Route):


    Loading my in the Activity Editor (this doesn't matter if I load it as a new activity or load a existing activity):


    Loading a route in the Activity Editor (in this case, the Port Ogden & Northern 11):


    Loading my route in the Route Editor:


    Loading the route in the simulator:


    I'm guessing problem might have something to do with the tdb/tit files (base on the fact the problem happens in two locations.) Help would be appreciated!
    tgriebel; also known as "Stickmanstudoes"
    Creator of New York State Railroads

    Railroads give off less CO2 than trucks and cars. They should be saved.

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    Do you have any backups? Try to load up backup files( .bk) by changing the name back to .tdb or .tit FIRST! before you do this, Save your .bk files somewhere! It may save your behind one day...

    BK.jpg



    Keep the backup files in the memory stick, back up portable drives or whatever you got.. Very important, Always... i mean always... back up.. I have had issues back then when I worked with PRR-ER on replacing catenary/gantry system. Its no fun when the route was screwy or lost.
    Dave Edwards


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    You are editing a route?
    ++ Does the route have **Interactive Objects installed?

    I'm guessing problem might have something to do with the tdb/tit files
    ++ Have you run the Route_Riter [ICHK] test found on the TSUtils Tab?
    This test will eliminate your guessing and possibly nail the bug.

    The [Check Route] test on the Route Utils Tab does not test a routes database files, mainly testing the shape & texture files.

    Regards,
    ............Vince ..............
    ...... Author NECv4 .......
    .... LIRR BUILD PHOTOS ....
    .............LIRR VIDEO.............
    ...... Eschew Obsfucation ......

    On the The Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor there is a Tablet. On it is written:
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince View Post
    You are editing a route?
    ++ Does the route have **Interactive Objects installed?
    It does have interactive objects installed (I'm updating a route that I posted to trainsim.com)

    Quote Originally Posted by Vince View Post
    ++ Have you run the Route_Riter [ICHK] test found on the TSUtils Tab?
    This test will eliminate your guessing and possibly nail the bug.

    The [Check Route] test on the Route Utils Tab does not test a routes database files, mainly testing the shape & texture files.
    I just did that, and I found something interesting, so it turns out there are four problems with the TDB (and they all appear to be on the same tile, along with similar errors)

    Here is a rundown of what the report said (Where the TrackNode is shown first and the error shown on the Report in [abcxyz] unedited. The location of the error in the TDB (the number told on the TDB is shown in [number] also.

    Code:
    Errors (4):
    
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    		TrackNode ( 349
    			TrJunctionNode ( 0 218 1 )
    			UiD ( -11140 14491 1 0 2147472508 -2147469157 [2.26021e+020] -1.64118e-010 1.28183e+021 5.47061e-012 0.174533 -1.5708 )
    			TrPins ( 1 2
    				TrPin ( 0 0 )
    				TrPin ( 389 1 )
    				TrPin ( 391 1 )
    			)
    		)
    ['TrackNode(349)-TrJunctionNode-Position': Value of position X (2.26021E20) is too large! (Ix=349)]
    
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    		TrackNode ( 389
    			TrVectorNode (
    				TrVectorSections ( 2 183 218 -11140 14491 0 0 1 00 2147472508 -2147469157 [2.26021e+020] -1.64118e-010 1.28183e+021 -5.47061e-012 3.31612 1.5708 175 218 -11140 14491 0 0 1 00 2147472508 -2147469157 2.26021e+020 -1.55854e-010 1.28183e+021 -5.47061e-012 3.31612 1.5708 )
    			)
    			TrPins ( 1 1
    				TrPin ( 349 0 )
    				TrPin ( 390 1 )
    			)
    		)
    ['TrackNode(389)-TrVectorNode-TrVectorSections(0)-Position': Value of position X (2.26021E20) is too large!]
    
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    		TrackNode ( 391
    			TrVectorNode (
    				TrVectorSections ( 1 179 218 -11140 14491 0 0 2 00 2147472508 -2147469157 [2.26021e+020] -1.64118e-010 1.28183e+021 -5.47061e-012 3.31612 1.5708 )
    			)
    			TrPins ( 1 1
    				TrPin ( 349 0 )
    				TrPin ( 392 1 )
    			)
    		)
    ['TrackNode(391)-TrVectorNode-TrVectorSections(0)-Position': Value of position X (2.26021E20) is too large!]
    
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    		TrackNode ( 392
    			TrEndNode ( 0 )
    			UiD ( -11140 14491 1 2 2147472508 -2147469157 [2.26021e+020] 5.47063e-011 1.28183e+021 -5.47061e-012 0 1.5708 )
    			TrPins ( 1 0
    				TrPin ( 391 0 )
    			)
    		)
    ['TrackNode(392)-TrEndNode-Position': Value of position X (2.26021E20) is too large! (Ix=392)]
    As far as I know, (-11140 14491) is the tile where the problem occurs.
    Last edited by tgriebel; 12-24-2016 at 03:23 PM. Reason: Forgot to mention something.
    tgriebel; also known as "Stickmanstudoes"
    Creator of New York State Railroads

    Railroads give off less CO2 than trucks and cars. They should be saved.

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    What editor are you using?
    I ask because the error you're getting "Value of position X (2.26021E20)is too large!" looks suspiciously like an error I'm getting when editing the LIRR using TSRE5.
    regards,
    ............Vince ..............
    ...... Author NECv4 .......
    .... LIRR BUILD PHOTOS ....
    .............LIRR VIDEO.............
    ...... Eschew Obsfucation ......

    On the The Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor there is a Tablet. On it is written:
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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    I use the MSTS route editor with MSTS bin installed (if that maters.) I found it quite odd that it appears 4 out of 4 times.
    tgriebel; also known as "Stickmanstudoes"
    Creator of New York State Railroads

    Railroads give off less CO2 than trucks and cars. They should be saved.

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    That's the problem with editing a route with installed interactive objects, makes a buggy editor even more buggy!

    And my problem was 'TrackObj(10836)-Position': Value of position X (-1413.21) is too small!
    Close but no cigar . . .

    regards,
    ............Vince ..............
    ...... Author NECv4 .......
    .... LIRR BUILD PHOTOS ....
    .............LIRR VIDEO.............
    ...... Eschew Obsfucation ......

    On the The Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor there is a Tablet. On it is written:
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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    OK, after some time, I was able to restore my route to a earlier point of time and everything seems to be working ok (didn't lose a lot of work, which is good). Sounds like I'll have to be more cautious working in that area for now.
    tgriebel; also known as "Stickmanstudoes"
    Creator of New York State Railroads

    Railroads give off less CO2 than trucks and cars. They should be saved.

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    Ok, never mind. I think I found the actual cause of the problem. While exploring the WORLD folder, I found something very odd, which had that number, "2.26021E20." I found a file in there called w+2147472508-2147469157.w which my route didn't take place near there. When I opened it, I got this:
    Code:
    [email protected]@@@@@@@@@JINX0w0t______
    
    Tr_Worldfile (
    	TrackObj (
    		UiD ( 1 )
    		SectionIdx ( 218 )
    		Elevation ( 0 )
    		JNodePosn ( -11140 14491 2.26021e+020 -1.64118e-010 1.28183e+021 )
    		CollideFlags ( 7 )
    		FileName ( A1tPnt10dLftMnl.s )
    		StaticFlags ( 00200180 )
    		Position ( 2.26021e+020 -1.64118e-010 1.28183e+021 )
    		Matrix3x3 ( 9.06808e+019 1.34068e-017 5.14277e+020 8.08228e-033 1.4013e-045 -1.42512e-033 0 5.47061e-012 1.4013e-045 )
    		VDbId ( 4294967294 )
    	)
    )
    So I got a Matrix3x3 error, which I was hopping this would never happen to me, but it did happen. I found the Steam4Me page about this error and I'm going to correct it.
    tgriebel; also known as "Stickmanstudoes"
    Creator of New York State Railroads

    Railroads give off less CO2 than trucks and cars. They should be saved.

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    Glad you got it solved.... Take it step by step... Good job!!
    Dave Edwards


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