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    Yep, those GP10's are going to make a very nice addition to the KERC fleet.

    Amazing work Tyler!
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    Okay, now I'm in love. With a little bit of tweaking, I can easily make New England Southern 566
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    These are fantastic looking, Tyler.

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    Conrail fans: Did CR blue units have no-slip black paint applied to the top of the nose and walkways going all the way back to 1976? The only definitive thing I've found so far was an anecdote from a former employee. These models are painted in what I think is the 1976-early '80s scheme with blue step wells and limited warning labels.

    I'm also interested to learn if anyone has detailed photos or other info about the many "fine print" labels and instructions that appear in dozens of spots on 1990s Conrail locomotives. I haven't found any photos on the 'net that indicate what any of these little markings say. The little words are all over the repaints with black step wells and white sill stripes.

    I'm in the final rounds of testing and tweaking on the IC/PNC GP10s. I hope I can get them out to you all soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbundy1982 View Post
    Did CR blue units have no-slip black paint applied to the top of the nose and walkways going all the way back to 1976?
    A search through my slides yielded no useful results, but I did come across this: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cr/cr7564o.jpg

    It's hard to tell, but it looks to me as though the top of the nose is blue, while the walkways are painted with non-skid.

    However, in this shot from '78, both appear to be nonskid (or just quite dirty already): http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cr/cr5408bbb.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbundy1982 View Post
    Conrail fans: Did CR blue units have no-slip black paint applied to the top of the nose and walkways going all the way back to 1976? The only definitive thing I've found so far was an anecdote from a former employee. These models are painted in what I think is the 1976-early '80s scheme with blue step wells and limited warning labels.
    I want to say no. I'm going to be so bold as to say that none of the GP10s received anti-glare paint on the top of the nose, except for one, which I'll get to in a moment. There seemed to be no rhyme or reason as to when Conrail started applying black paint to the nose of their locomotives. The first locomotives to come with it from the factory were the SD60Ms (even the C40-8Ws came with blue paint on the top of the nose.) Repaints started to show up with it in mid-to-late 1984, though not all of them. There were a couple SD40-2s that I know of that received the 'Quality' paint scheme, but did not receive the anti-glare paint. One thing I have noticed is that of all the repaints that received the black nose, they, at a minimum, got the white frame stripe paint scheme as well.

    Now onto that one GP10 that received black paint on the top of its nose. Number 7564, the oddest of the group of GP10s, it retained the 'torpedo-tube' air tanks on the roof from its days as a passenger geep on New York Central. There is a good roof-top view of it here: http://crcyc.railfan.net/locos/emd/gp10/cr7564ele.jpg which clearly shows a black painted nose, though it's not anti-glare paint. That looks to be full-gloss black to me, though it very well could be wet. Looking at other elements in the photo, it appears to have been raining when the photo was taken. 7564 would make an interesting addition to the Conrail GP10 fleet, though I'm not going to beg for it. I'll take what I can!

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    A search through my slides yielded no useful results, but I did come across this: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cr/cr7564o.jpg

    It's hard to tell, but it looks to me as though the top of the nose is blue, while the walkways are painted with non-skid.

    However, in this shot from '78, both appear to be nonskid (or just quite dirty already): http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cr/cr5408bbb.jpg

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    I'm going to say that 5408 has a very dirty nose, judging by the rest of the roof being covered in filth already. What I find interesting is that the blue paint hadn't burnt off the exhaust manifolds yet. I want to say that in your photo of 7564 that it has the black paint on its nose like in the photo that I linked to. In the link I posted, it has a blue sand hatch even though the rest of the top of the nose is black. Something interesting going on with this unit for sure.
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    Who knows if the rebuilding shop made a difference. Given the visible differences in air filtration the specs were pretty loose and each shop sorta did its own thing. The GP8s were done by ICG Paducah, MK Boise and CRIP Silvis. The GP10s were done by ICG Paducah and PNC Mt. Vernon.

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    MK Boise also did some of the GP10 rebuilds. MK did 7513-7529, PNC did 7530-7545, and ICG did the lions share 7545-7597. All of the MK and PNC rebuilds retained their high short hoods, as did a good portion of the ICG rebuilds.
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    Thanks for the insight guys. I think the "no rhyme or reason" issue is what had me confused, as well as the heavier roof weathering that I assume comes from tunnels. I've actually been surprised how clean some of the ICG roofs were, considering the junk that comes out of the 4 stacks.

    It looks like Conrail only had 16 "ICG" GP10s, with the Dynacell air filters and chopped noses, all from Paducah. They had a handful of GP8s from the same 1976 order with the same modifications. The high hoods are from a later order (1979) and did not receive the major modifications that earlier rebuilds did. I think you could call them "cheaps". I imagine the rebuild helped because these locomotives were TIRED by the time they made it to Conrail. I'm impressed by the number of Conrail GP10s that are still pulling, even LHF high hoods.

    Tyler

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbundy1982 View Post
    Thanks for the insight guys. I think the "no rhyme or reason" issue is what had me confused, as well as the heavier roof weathering that I assume comes from tunnels. I've actually been surprised how clean some of the ICG roofs were, considering the junk that comes out of the 4 stacks.

    It looks like Conrail only had 16 "ICG" GP10s, with the Dynacell air filters and chopped noses, all from Paducah. They had a handful of GP8s from the same 1976 order with the same modifications. The high hoods are from a later order (1979) and did not receive the major modifications that earlier rebuilds did. I think you could call them "cheaps". I imagine the rebuild helped because these locomotives were TIRED by the time they made it to Conrail. I'm impressed by the number of Conrail GP10s that are still pulling, even LHF high hoods.

    Tyler
    I've been told that the roof rust on the Conrail units is caused by cheap cast iron brake shoes that Conrail used on everything. I guess particles sheared off and settled on top of the engines, rusting the crap out of the roofs.
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    Looking through the GP10 Conrail photos in RR Picture Archives there are several low nose models that appear to have a rust colour on the nose and I thought they may have been painted, but after your explanation Max it is probably rust.


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    Nice job Tyler! Sorry that I didnt come back sooner. I was up in CT caring for my family. Had to arrange an emergency flight... but all is good. Let me go right back and re-read your postings once more.

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