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    Default Bad luck with CD's

    Good Morning, I have been in the process of reinstalling my older content from their original CD's. All was going smoothly until I got to my Cascade Crossing CD. Turns out there is a very small pinhole in the disk in one corner and it prevents a consist from being installed. Does anyone happen to still have Cascades Crossing installed that has this exact Consist? SP AI 40 Auto .con?

    Furthermore, What is an ideal way to back up old first generation releases of payware CD's? I've had the same problem with my copy of Cajon Pass but was able to use a backup. I just don't have a Cascades backup to turn to.

    I doubt I could go to MLT since I bought Cascades Crossing off of Ebay a couple of years ago?

    Robert
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    Yep...I have it if you can give me an email address, Robert.
    Incidentally....are you using square CDs? ("...in one corner...").

    In answer to your second question....backup your CDs to a USB stick.
    CDs have a habit over time of deteriorating so I have been using USB sticks for several years and have never had a problem.
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    Been doing this too and have a ton of DVDs with stuff on them. If you're going to use DVDs however to backup stuff on, make sure they are good quality name brands. I got some cheap ones one time with a brand I didn't know of, only to just find out that all the stuff I had backed up on them was gone when I went to reinstall my MSTS after my computer crash last year, as the disks were corrupt. I've now decided that it's alright to backup less valuable stuff to DVD, but for payware items and other things that are hard to get or one of a kind, back it up on a stick drive, or on a separate backup drive from your hard drive.
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    MLT is (back? still?) online. You might want to contact them about a replacement disk? At worst, they would say tough luck, you bought it used as-is. Buy a new one ($20 - http://www.mapleleaftracks.com/RoutePacks?product_id=54)

    As for backups, I'm a little reluctant to agree with USB sticks as a long-term backup option. My experience with them is mixed - even from the same batch, some will go on forever and others will suddenly be unreadable. Much like my experience with tape backups, for some reason. I prefer saving the iso file resulting from ripping the CD to some backup hard disk that doesn't get used very often; hard disks seem to be more reliable in the long term than USB sticks at least for me. YMMV of course, and if you have it on multiple sticks (which is technically against the law - you're entitled, in the US at least, to only one backup copy unless otherwise allowed in the license) you may have less exposure to the sudden-death syndrome.

    EDIT: note that in the Real IT business, backups that have to be maintained indefinitely need maintenance. They're tested regularly, and are periodically (annually, in many cases) copied to new media. The old copy is destroyed after the new one is verified. So "backup" doesn't mean something that's done once and put on a shelf; you have to revisit it. "Bit rot" is a real thing.
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    Seagoon, No square CD's. Just round ones. Hehe.

    I used to buy Memorex CD's but all of them started to rot with a green tarnish after a couple of years. I lost quite a bit of hard to find content on those CD's.

    I just felt that the payware stuff would already come on decent CD's and would be less likely to tarnish. I guess that is not always the case though.

    I have been going slowly towards USB sticks since they hold more and can be had onsale for a decent price at different times of the year. Like back to school season.

    But, I have also heard horror stories about USB backups and have been kinda stuck on what to do? I like the idea of using a good quality external HDD for backups and am considering those as a long term storage solution.

    Robert

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    Hi

    I have four PCs to maintain, I clone all four each week using Casper 10, Each PC has an USB attached HDD
    and Casper will let you know if there any hardware errors on the attached drive.

    Once a moth I clone the four attached drives to 2 x 2 TB attached hard drives with 2 partitions each.

    Each process is automated and runs at night, also Casper will send you an email when the
    clone is completed or if any problems occur.

    Cheers

    Daniel
    Daniel - Sydney (wishing I was in Townsville)

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    If the CD was purchased via Ebay and was to Andy himself then I would say that you would get a duplicate product on the website, that you can download, and as it stays in your My Account will never be lost to bad media drives. If the CD rom was purchased from 3rd party then you would need to sign up and wait for a sale when it comes up.
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    Cascades was third party. I was able to resolve the issue by simply renaming another consist for the missing one.

    There are two consist files with the same name. One is lower case and goes like this sp ai 40 auto.con

    The other consist and the one giving me so much grief is SP AI 40 Auto .con

    Yes, There is a space between the Auto and period .con I don't understand why two consist so close in name were used by MLT? But, Without knowing the lashup on the missing file I just used the lower case consist by renaming it to match the missing one.

    Robert

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    Guys.... since there's no specific DRM in question here, you can just back up the \Route subfolder plus the TRAINSET and CONSISTS folders.

    I keep a folder in Dropbox for all my payware installation files and/or Routes if they came on a CD. No more worries about aging original media.

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