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    Quote Originally Posted by conductorchris View Post
    Chris, how soon is your initial alpha release? I'm asking because we (BLWZT) have a set of B&O equipment about 3/4 done. Do we need to light a fire under us to move it along?
    Christopher
    I'm looking at months rather than weeks. Still a lot of work to do. As you know laying track is just the start. Have to build the entire Keyser yard, buildings, station, roundhouse, coaling tower, etc and of course, the town of Keyser, itself. Unfortunately, Keyser sits at the cross roads of three tiles, which will make things very tricky. Lots of backups and I'm sure a few TDB corruptions along the way.
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    Hi Chris & Christopher,

    I worked on a team that developed Mick Clarke's "Mid East Plus" UK route (available at UKTS) and Mick soon realised that having a standard stock pack for beta testers to test the route with was important. I fully understand why Chris is concerned about the Keyser three tile issue as Mick found that often a slight alteration to some track could cause unforseen issues . Having a standard stock pack meant that testers could all use the same stock which eliminated any performance related issues. Perhaps a small pre-release beta tester pack from BLW could facilitate that? Once the track was OK folk could write some activities for the route whilst Mick was adding the finishing touches to the scenery.

    Obviously I'm patiently waiting for the finished route and stock pack but thought this might be a useful way forward?
    Geoff
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    Was hoping to include the basics - freeware steam locomotive (mine probably T-3) and F7 B&O repaint, plus an empty and loaded B&O hopper and heavyweight passenger car. Maybe a caboose. All that's needed for the basics. In building the route, I've created about 20 activities and paths to test various areas of the route.

    I continue to test on both OR and MSTS - both get about 60 fps on my very average rig.
    Chris
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    Hi, Chris

    Which set do you have? I worked on a set for a route Marc Nelson (Hack) was creating; Cumberland to Grafton, never released. I have a set of CPL's but they were never released, see attached. Are you interested in MSTS style installation with setting links? The set has ground, gantry, bracket models, plus dwarf.

    Hank
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    Hi Folks,

    Hah - I love team work...

    Regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Signalmaster View Post
    Hi, Chris

    Which set do you have? I worked on a set for a route Marc Nelson (Hack) was creating; Cumberland to Grafton, never released. I have a set of CPL's but they were never released, see attached. Are you interested in MSTS style installation with setting links? The set has ground, gantry, bracket models, plus dwarf.

    Hank
    Only what was available in the file library - csxsig.zip. I started building signals in TSM because I thought what I needed wasn't available. I have track charts so I know exactly what signal head went where.
    TSM_Signal.jpg

    If you wouldn't mind sharing the complete set - ground, gantry and dwarf and bracket. I will be forever in your debt. I'm interested in MSTS style with setting links. I will need some assistance to get everything working as it should. Thanks so very much. Send me a PM for email address. Again THANKS.
    Chris
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    Starting on Keyser yard, first the approach tracks and cross overs.
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    Next is east receiving yard
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    Question: Should I build an exact replica or use some selective compression given that activities will never fill all the tracks that were there in the 1940s???

    I have exact track charts that detail the entire yard. In its full glory there were: 15 east classification tracks; 11 west classification tracks; 8 east receiving yard tracks; 4 west receiving yard tracks, with assorted ready, engine, pocket, caboose, and rip/car barn tracks. Plus a roundhouse and engine servicing areas. And a station to top it all off.

    What does everyone think???
    Chris
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    Great question

    Here is how I figured it out.

    Do you want every track they had and when you drive through your train is the only one in the yard?

    or

    Do you want to drive through an active full yard redy to do some switching??????

    Obviously on the MONON-2, I chose the later....................

    But you must choose, otherwise your heart will not be in it.............

    If someone wants all the tracks, they can easily add them......Yes OR makes it easier to fill the yard, but most yards are by populated areas, frames will take a hit, meaning we will not get the enjoyment of the surrounding area and the yard.....smoothly in all directions....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick-MONON View Post
    Do you want every track they had and when you drive through your train is the only one in the yard?

    or

    Do you want to drive through an active full yard redy to do some switching??????

    If someone wants all the tracks, they can easily add them......Yes OR makes it easier to fill the yard, but most yards are by populated areas, frames will take a hit, meaning we will not get the enjoyment of the surrounding area and the yard.....smoothly in all directions....
    I'm completely with Rick on this. Some folk are obsessed with track layout whilst seemingly indifferent to scenery levels or a believable "world" that they run through. I'd choose scenery and populated yards over trackage EVERY time. Having EVERY track standing .....BUT standing empty is IMO one of THE weak points of too many routes.

    We forget that in reality track was added or removed during any railroads history anyway?

    Looking forward to this route and it's transition era .....but already I'm sure the Chessie fans are assembling their own stock packs to run on it? Nothing wrong with that of course but if anyone's really unhappy with the track they can always change it themselves?
    Geoff
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    Well, my vote is for all tracks.

    The tracks aren't just for activities, they are also a historical representation of what was there.

    Maybe you want to fill some of them with low poly hoppers?

    Also at different eras, tracks had different levels of cars on. In the twenties, the tracks were stuffed. In the thirties, fifties and sixties there were a lot of empty tracks. Loads of sidings that only saw a car less than every week. And empty yards. Now a lot of the seldom used tracks are gone and you usually see cars if the track is active.

    Christopher

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