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Thread: Happening NOW - Amtrak Cascades NEW Service Derailment

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    Bad time of the year for this... Thoughts & Prayers to the families involved.

    An Amtrak passenger train on its inaugural trip on a new service route derailed Monday morning near Dupont, Washington, spilling multiple cars off an Interstate 5 overpass, killing several people on the train and injuring dozens of others, according to the spokesman for the Pierce County Sheriff's Office.
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    Made the evening News here on the BBC.

    Very Sad. They showed footage of the Talgo Coaches that had come of the bridge and the report said the service had been operating at 80 m.p.h.. They didn't mention that it was an inaugural trip. Hope the cause can be sorted and the service continues. Obviously sympathy to the relatives and hope those injured are not too badly hurt.
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    All over the morning shows and net news here. Official death toll now up to 6. Really feel for those people, just before Christmas.

    As for 80mph, that's pretty much the standard top speed (79mph actually) for passenger trains in the US on suitable main lines; there are a few lines (NE Corridor) and line segments (mainly several parts of the old Santa Fe and PC) where higher speeds are authorized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeebb View Post
    All over the morning shows and net news here. Official death toll now up to 6. Really feel for those people, just before Christmas.

    As for 80mph, that's pretty much the standard top speed (79mph actually) for passenger trains in the US on suitable main lines; there are a few lines (NE Corridor) and line segments (mainly several parts of the old Santa Fe and PC) where higher speeds are authorized.
    Indeed we had a really bad accident over here yesterday where 6 people were killed just as we come up to the holiday. BTW just mentioned the speed as that was one of the few "facts" in the broadcast.

    The Talgo units have been in use in Spain for decades and although I never travelled in them they are used on many of the high speed services in Spain. I got some nice shots of them on a winding mountainous route there a few years ago. Looking at the footage they seem to have stood up quite well (considering?) in the shots I saw. Of course we don't get to see the whole picture. You have to wonder if seat belts in trains are part of the future? We wear them in our cars, and on aircraft so with higher speed trains maybe they'd help? No point in tougher trains if the frail human cargo is going to be thrown all over the shop in an accident?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lateagain View Post
    You have to wonder if seat belts in trains are part of the future? We wear them in our cars, and on aircraft so with higher speed trains maybe they'd help? No point in tougher trains if the frail human cargo is going to be thrown all over the shop in an accident?
    The first problem is that NOT everyone wants to wear them, for whatever reason, and secondly, who is going to check that you are wearing your seat belt in a 10 coach train?
    And, of course, you will have those that buckle up as the Inspectors come round, and then when they disappear into the next car, all the buckles are unclipped again, you'd never get it to become law, Geoff.

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    RIP to those who died and hoping the injured make a speedy recovery.

    Think the mods will need to keep a close eye on this thread as, really, speculation or uninformed comment the last thing needed right now. Let the professionals do their jobs.
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    Seat belts are to keep one from ejecting from the car and getting killed embracing the pavement. That doesn't normally happen in a train derailment.

    Getting thrown around is not pleasant, but it is normally survivable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernWarrior View Post
    RIP to those who died and hoping the injured make a speedy recovery.

    Think the mods will need to keep a close eye on this thread as, really, speculation or uninformed comment the last thing needed right now. Let the professionals do their jobs.
    No speculation here Vern . I merely reported something stated on the BBC and other's have confirmed that this is a normal speed limit. I totally agree that until any official investigation is undertaken we'll not know the cause.
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    As for the seat belt issue.... Well of course no one can enforce their use.

    However Common Sense seems to have worked quite well this side of the pond after a sustained series of safety campaigns throughout most European Countries. Campaigns that haven't pulled any punches either.

    The reality is that however much we've improved the safety of the structures we travel in it is the human body that is the weakest link. Not all accidents are survivable of course but the use of seat belts in cars has shown that many do survive in wrecks that without the use of belts would have resulted in fatalities.

    Here in Europe we have a massive amount of passenger traffic on our Railways. Distances across North America made this traffic an easy take over for the airlines. Since 9/11 the increase in security checks has made rail travel a serious contender over shorter distances so obviously it's in everyone's interest that anything that helps sustain that is implemented?

    I only mentioned it in this case having seen the footage of some of the wreckage.
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    The seat belt thing comes up every time there's a major bus or train crash. With trains at normal speeds, they're not required - only in unusually bad crashes with derailment might they help (like this one?). It would be very unusual for a train to accelerate or decelerate at a rate that would seriously hurt anybody in normal operation, even emergency braking.

    As for this one, here's Reuters' take on it:

    Map: https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gf...WASHINGTON.jpg
    Story: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-w...-idUSKBN1EC239

    Reuters isn't one of the faster-moving news organizations, but they tend to research things a slight bit better than the average TV "breaking news" so they're worth looking at some time after it happens.

    EDIT: I've been on trains that go into emergency. Yes, if you're in a bad spot and get surprised you could fall against something and get hurt. Otherwise, you do have to brace a bit but its still gentler than normal braking in your car. Buses, now, probably could use seat belts, and I've seen them on recent-model charter buses.
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