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    Hi,

    Two more on the "Don't have" and I'll stop

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    Hall or 'Banjo' signals. Beside the Reading RR, the Erie had these on their Erie and Wyoming Division.

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    From this dainty Reading 0-4-0, thru the L&NE and CNJ 0-8-0's to the Erie's 0-8-8-0's (they had 3), not 1 Freight Camelback. Built to run on the culm from the Anthracite mines, to keep up steam pressure they required the oversize firebox.

    Hi Geoff, I thought that's what you meant, improved models of things already made, but I thought this a good opportunity to present that for some, we don't have it all.

    Hi Stefan, Yes, it is interesting how today the 1830-1930 Iron and Steel industry of the US Middle Atlantic. and North Central States is overlooked if it does not involve taconite.

    Beside he who should not be named, there have been other issues that have deflated this niche. Promised two improvements to the original MSTS that never arrived in the US. Other piracy for the sake of Instant Gratification, and Cred on YouTube and 4 Chan.

    It's like any other technology, some will use it for good, some will use it for bad.

    Like McSheare, I plan to keep chipping at this until I can no longer. ( the Centennial of the ICC Val maps is next year, I've been around for 3/5's of that. )

    For those who think they know or seen it all, I offer two topics for when you have a free moment or might be bored. 8 and 40 (as relates to post WW II) and Owney (as relates to the US Railway Mail Service) Stuff that showed up after the first page of hits on Google.

    Doug Relyea
    Making stuff that works, using outdated Software on outdated Hardware.

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    Hi folks,

    This is an interesting topic. I know that I can tell you that we do have some new stuff, routes included, on the way. Things are different today, for sure. I began building content for MSTS in the summer of 2001. At that time, you could build anything and someone would want it. Unfortunately, the market has dwindled so much that it is a labor of love now. That said, I can assure you that TS will keep building new content. In fact, we have a new route that's getting closer to completion. It is designed, from the ground up as an Open Rails route, so I am excited to see how it will be received. From a commercial vendors position, MSTS/OR sales aren't nearly where they could be. I can understand MSTS sales going away, but it's a shame that Open Rails hasn't experienced more growth. We can only hope.

    Cheers,
    [email protected]

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    "Be the change you wish to see in the World"

    Gandhi was on to something there. I have, as it stands, three routes in the works, only one of which I've really talked about, as the others are still in very early stage-construction. The one I have posted about has garnered almost no attention...but that's okay - I'm still enjoying myself in building it. If a bunch of would-be content creators look around and see the diminished activity as a disincentive to creating content, the hobby will not last long. If you enjoy it, do it, and it will likely be snapped up

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdilworth View Post
    I can understand MSTS sales going away, but it's a shame that Open Rails hasn't experienced more growth. We can only hope.

    Cheers,
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    IMO because w/ rare exception, there is no OR content, only MSTS content. OR cannot grow w/o new, OR specific content and that won't happen w/o significant changes: A new world file design, a new shape file format (probably an extension to .s), adoption of Include() file standards to name just three issues.


    A comment about our Indian pals... I'm sure from their perspective a lot of them thought this is a really cool game... except for all that North American content.... As for why the growth of Indian content occurred in the last 5-6 years instead of at the beginning of MSTS... my guess is that as a large developing country the middle class hadn't reached a point where lots of families could afford both computers and the internet. Perhaps that occurred in recently years.
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    I think onto something with the timing, Dave, but I suspect there was also a word of mouth component from their railfan community.

    The payware sims don't create Indian content, but since it's possible to make it easily using the MSTS file formats, that's influencing what's in the file library.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muskokaandtahoe View Post
    .. adoption of Include() file standards...
    This is a good point. There is an abundance of excellent models for MSTS ( ..yes, I agree, we could do with brand-new models made exclusively for OR ) and the include file standards provides an easy method to convert them to OR standards of physics and behavior.
    People are slow to embrace it, once they do understand the concept, the modular design proves to be easy to use and makes the change over a lot less work.

    The benefits are readily apparent, even to a beginner like myself (joined here & at ET barely 5 years ago) - the simulation approaches real world physics...much more realistic. I've been using the same machine ( I do need a vid card update ) for the past 5 years, and I have been running the same activities/same routes over&over again, they are getting closer to what I have been led to expect from reading the threads written by those with 1:1 experience.

    Of course, I have to factor in that my experience with the simulator and my understanding of how trains work (brakes, resistance/adhesion, traction, operating principles - etc.) has also moved further along the learning curve...5 years of persistence pays off.
    Added to that is the generous assistance provided by others in the community. Thanks to all of those folks.
    Dave for one has been writing about the include file standards for years (literally!) now.

    Now I'm not denying that this is work to convert to the existing equipment to include file standards to take advantage of OR native physics, but is not that supposed to be part of the enjoyment of this hobby?

    There is much more acceptance of OR in the IR community and European rail communities...

    One last thing...a five year commitment is nothing compared to the depth of commitment both Eric and Dave have...years++, if not a lifetime...and the many others I have had the pleasure to work with and have email conversations with.
    Something to consider...is how to attract and welcome new users to the community...I don't think fascination with trains will be disappearing anytime soon.
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    Hi,
    Yesterday, while looking for some stock, I happened across an Indian MSTS site which openly allows the user to download MSTS from a torrent site. Maybe this is one of the reasons for the proliferation of add-ons?
    In the interests of research, I checked it out - the user gets v1.0, but the same site offers a .rar file containing all the required updates, and more!

    Cheers,
    Ged

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    A few years ago i downloaded a file pack that contained additional files to make a complete fleet of CPR diesels, more than 20 if I remember. I have always wondered why programmers make a engine that someone else had already made of the same unit number of the other file. It' not as if a class of engine did not have other unit numbers to use. Even the payware producers are guilty of this! Tiger trains & Ed's trains put out a series of 50+ hoppers that look fantastic as unit trains. Supplying a series of addition files to add new or more unit numbers of a car or engine you have spent so much time making just seems more rewarding than making duplicate unit numbers made by some one else. A group of additional unit number to make more cars changing the unit numbers only would be nice instead of looking up a certain number unit & have the file library show you more than one unit of that number & railway, each made by a different programmer. If that can be done then why don't these builders do that and change the unit number if it is already there before they upload to the library. How hard is it if you follow the instructions DW puts out to make drive able engines of there trailing units. Duplicating & adding a new Ace file to make more cars would make a bunch of happy campers I believe!

    Rick

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    Sadly you can see what is wrong with the MSTS/OR scene and this community (I use the term loosely) in a couple of threads that have appeared asking for help today.

    First of all the guy gets browbeaten if not outright bullied that he should be using Open Rails not MSTS, well if he's having issues with an MSTS route that references MSTS content then he's still going to need it in MSTS to run it! I am starting to view Open Rails like one of those dodgy religious cults, that come round the doorstep to try and purvey their particular brand of the Sky Fairy. If it's that good, people will come to you... (Or replace religious nutters with double glazing salesman).

    Then the guy gets firmly put in his place, pretty much called an idiot and must be left thinking... why the hell did I even bother posting here?

    I'm the last person to tolerate fools gladly, but if residual MSTS and OR are to gain any ground versus the new sims, the attitude of some people on these boards is not helping.
    Vern.

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    Truth is Vern, we've always had some of that and its caused some people to take it personally, leave and never come back.

    The golden rule of "forums" is Basically... ASK, HELP or Provide Some Guidance. There is no place for negative emotions, ego, curmudgeonliness... The "I'm better than you", "You are dumb", or "Why don't you know this already" type comments are just the people who should have walked away from the keyboard versus typing in a reply.

    I have no idea who is still selling shrink wrap copies of MSTS... but if they exist... maybe it should be pointed out in a Sticky.

    If we have bullies... we need to call out the bullies. This is they way it was in 2001... and its the way it should still be now.

    And MOST of all... if someone made new content that is a duplicate of what has already been made... so what? There are so many people trying to make SLI "Western" diesels be dressed up like "Eastern" diesels that I say "Thats enough proof that more than one option is OK".

    Yes, I made the first articulated hose tank train... Did I make the best one? Heck no. Did It bug me me someone else did? Heck no. So lets not stifle *any* new content. People will make what they are interested in.

    Heck, I personally can only make what I actually have plans for and my budget for new drawing references has empty coffers. For now... I'm just remaking my OLD stuff so it will look better in OR.
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