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  1. #11
    Join Date
    Nov 1999
    Jacksonville,, FL, USA.



    The Illinois Central had a line into E-Town, that crossed the L&N at grade by
    means of two turnouts and then served some industries lying east of the
    L&N mainline. This line was originally to have been part of a coast-coast
    line that C.P.Huntington started with his work on the C&O. What is left of
    the line (if any) is some industry tracks around E-town.

    There was also a tunnel just north of E-town until about 1915 or so when
    Muldraughs Hill was double tracked. This change also eliminated two
    large trestles, the footings & abutments of which could still be seen the
    last time I rode over the line in daylight (SouthWind, 1959). South Tunnel
    is between Portland & Gallatin, TN and is actually two tunnels very close
    together. Another unique feature is the Green River bridge at Munfordville.
    This bridge still uses the original stone piers built before the War of
    Northern Aggression. If I did the track & roads, I would try to do the
    gulch area in Nashville as accurately as I can remember, at least the part
    into the station. Radnor would best be represented by a scaled down
    version, and I have the "J" line, Nashville to Chattanooga on my list.
    I was born in Nashville, 1-24-39, grew up there, got my higher ed. at
    Vanderbilt, and then went to work at AEDC in Tullahoma, TN for 2
    years, and then 34 years on the railroad.

    Rick, if you are interested, I can gen' the terrain and do the tracks and
    most roads. I have all the profiles and I could supply a copy of those
    in a "documents" folder for your use. Now the line has TCS on it, which
    was originally installed around 1954, but it is more of a secondary line
    as far as the brain trust at CSX is concerned. This is largely because
    of the difficulty operating the short line over to Cincinnati. I don't use
    scale rail, but I do use M-tracks to get the curves & turnouts more

    Jerry Sullivan

  2. #12
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Lexington, Ky


    Yes, in Etown they split up the industry now and cut off the interchange between the 2 RR's.
    I have seen the old trestle footings from I-65 before all the vegetation grew.
    The bridge at Munfordsville is so impressive but so is the one over the Columbia River in Nashville.

    Seriously thinking of committing to it since I know the northern area to Park City.

    Are you still using MSTS Route Editor for the process, I have not learned how to use TRES yet and what tdb would you be using?
    What ever tracks are used would want to use berms like Norberts NR tracks for berms like I did on the MONON-2.



  3. #13
    Join Date
    Nov 1999
    Jacksonville,, FL, USA.



    I assume you meant the tsection.dat file. Probably Build 00045_beta used for the
    MCOA2, or I can see if there is a newer one in the library.

    Cumberland River, not Columbia, that is somewhere out in the west. The Duck
    River is at Columbia, TN but that is not L&N territory today. The bridge you
    refer to is probably the one on the freight main through Shelby Park.

    I still use RE because the learning curve for TSRE is steep, and although there is
    a "manual" in the library now, it is really about a year out of date. Goku got into
    a scrape at Elvas Tower and so it is possible he may do more at T-S now. His
    alignment tool is very easy to use and I do use that to align low bridges. I use
    CatMaster to align tall bridges.

    I use berms where they make sense, but that is really part of the detailing. If I
    do the tracks & main roads, then whoever takes it from there has the choice of
    how to handle the R/W contours. I use berms where, for example, a track and
    road are close together & at different elevations. There is a stretch in the Don
    Karch narrow gauge route I am working on where they are so close I use a
    retaining wall for the higher item. This was not exactly how it was done in the
    real world, but it is the best compromise I could come up with. They did use
    masonry walls on a lot of the side-hill cuts in the same area.


  4. #14
    Join Date
    Nov 1999
    Jacksonville,, FL, USA.


    I have gone ahead and digitized the route. I didn't digitize all the tracks in the yards
    (Osbourne in Louisville, Radnor in Nashville) but I did digitize the Glasgow branch and
    the Gallatin steam plant line. I probably need to digitize more of the industries in
    Nashville & Louisville, especially the GE industrial area in Louisville. I used Google
    Earth for this, and also marked the elevation in meters at many points on the line.
    Now I will set it aside unless someone wants me to do the track & main roads so they
    can detail it. Actually if anyone wanted to detail any of the routes I have in the
    bucket list, I would go ahead and do the track & major roads. It would certainly
    provide a number of eastern lines and at least four more western lines, 2 of which
    are abandoned & 1 is now operated by someone besides the original owner.

    The Gallatin steam plant is now gas fired and while the tracks are still in place, they
    were hard to digitize because they are buried in the dirt in many places. The
    digitizing is right on the mark though. I continued the south end to the point just
    below Nashville where the Birmingham & old main lines split. There is a long
    deep cut through Brentwood and my digitizing is only about a meter off the C/L
    of the cut.

    There are a number of industries in Nashville that I could add, as well as a line
    that goes to the Ford glass plant. I guess this still exists, and I worked as a
    waterboy for the painting contractor when it was under construction in 1955.

    J. H. Sullivan

  5. #15
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    New York, USA.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rick-MONON View Post
    Maybe Rick should come out of route retirement and lend a hand?

    I lived around Elizabethtown area and that area is of interest and has some good rolling hills in there and a tunnel south of Horse Cave.

    Your right, both ends would be some scenery laying for sure.

    Whats more interesting is the lack of other railroads crossing over it, I think that happens only in Nashville and Louisville.
    Hi Folks,

    Yeah - got hooked on the L&N with Rich Garber's little piece of it on his "Cumberland" route (heavily modified)... Would love to see more of it and to see Rick leave his comfy retirement - LOL - I mean you only created one epic wonder of the world - right... Would also like to see the other Rick (BLW/ZT) upgrade their L&N Pack to the CT River standards - the newer models are fantastic...


  6. #16


    Love to see a F60 conveyor bridge, need one for my Cottbus Route that I am attempting to recreate for MSTS/ORS.

  7. #17
    Join Date
    Nov 1999
    Jacksonville,, FL, USA.


    You, like me, will probably have to create it yourself. One of the issues is dimensions. All there is to work
    with is photographs, but if there is a known object, say a 50' freight car in the image, you can proportion
    things pretty well.

  8. #18


    I used a mix of various bridge parts to make a mock up. It surfices if used as a distant prop.

  9. #19
    Join Date
    Nov 1999
    Jacksonville,, FL, USA.


    Yes, that would work as a distant prop, but I need to create them for close up. And some are unusual. For example,
    the tipple at the end of the Leatherwood Branch, (now gone) serviced drift mines on both sides of the narrow
    valley, with the tipple nearer one side, and a bridge like structure, supporting a conveyor, from the far side, with the
    near side dumping directly into a raw storage bin, huge in size. Underneath it all was the processing part, and it
    served three or four parallel tracks. Another, still in use, outside of Hazard, KY (you can see it on Google Earth and
    a photograph if you follow the tracks a few miles west from Hazard (railroad north)) is a batch loader served by
    several ground storage piles. I have never figured out where the coal comes from, so I assume the raw coal is
    trucked in from strip mines in the area. This is a tall, fairly slim, structure straddling one track, with a conveyor at
    the top, coming from the ground storage area. It is called "Crawford" but that is the name of the railroad area, not a
    town. This batch loader is tan in color, but the same design is used at several other locations, in various colors and
    with minor variations. South East Coal, now defunct, had one at Isom, KY on the Rockhouse branch, and another
    at their processing plant near Irvine. Another operation had one at Gentry, Ky. on a siding off the main line.

    J. H. Sullivan

  10. #20
    Join Date
    Nov 1999
    Jacksonville,, FL, USA.



    I have been detailing the Virginian Route, started by Simon Van de Laak and as happens
    from time to time, one needs to take a break, so I took one.

    I had been looking to merge Austin Yoder's Pocahontas District with another lad's Clinch
    Valley District but these were very good, but also very early, routes and they did not
    align at all to digitizing from Google Earth (which is very close to UsaPhotomaps) so I
    decided to do this one from scratch and I have completed digitizing it, determining
    mileposts etc. It covers the Clinch Valley line and all of the branches that connect
    between the CV and Pocahontas lines. So far I have not included the Pocahontas
    District itself because Austin did it quite well and that about 50 more miles of complex
    track. Then I have included the former SR Appalachia lines & InterState lines many of
    which are now either defunct or at least not active. Then there is a little CSX such as
    the connecting line into St. Charles and a little of the Clinchfield. I have extended the
    Dumps Creek line through Sandy Ridge Tunnel into the mines around Duty. This was
    abandoned in 1999, after about 40 years of use. At over 8K feet it was the longest
    tunnel on the former N&W.

    In all, I have 4 routes from the coal fields.
    1. Big Sandy South
    2. Clinch-Appalachia
    3. Eastern Kentucky
    4. Virginian

    I'm creating various interchangible mining objects.

    Someone was creating coke ovens, but I have not seen anything about that in
    a while.

    J. H. Sullivan

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