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    Hi Mark,

    Looks superb and I concur - signs add immensely to the immersion factor on any given route - makes it feel as if it’s set in a real place and time - your sign work caught my attention from the very beginning... Keep on keep’n on...

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    Scott


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    Thanks Gentleman,

    Robert,

    I want it done too. I gave her a friendly reminder this morning about it . I like to make it a hazzard too becuase their are documented times that CNJ, PRSL & PRR engineers have seen it. It be a fun little hazzard to have, even if the "Purist" won't like it. But to the area, the Leed's Devil (Or Jersey Devil in Layman's terms) is about as real South Jersey you can get next to Pork Roll (Or "Taylor Ham" to the "Bennies a.k.a. North Jerseyians).

    Scott,

    I am glad you agree with that. Signs that are native to the area I always love seeing in routes. I believe in that for billboards too. Like this era is mainly 1965 to 1979. You can't have Corona, Sam Adams & Blue Moon billboards in that era, just is a no-no. I been making ones popular to this area in that era. Ballentine, Schlitz, Piels, Rheingold, Schaefer & Pabst were mega popular around this area of the northeast. Bud didn't really come into play until the late 1970's. But lucky with my limited re-texturing abilities, I can make the billboards & road signs work.

    Today I had pain management so I get the afternoon to start populating the city limits. So we will have the look of AC before the "Glass Tower" look of the casino era. Plus have to put in Bader Field (Also known as Atlantic City Muni Airport) on the southside of the city off Black Horse Pike. A bit harder trying to find some older looking structures of early last century but I think I have it covered.

    Now closed (2006) but Bader Field was a small muni airport on the southwest side of AC. I few into there many times with a friend that is a pilot. I was amazed it did close because there use to be a lot of traffic into it, even before the casinos. Behind the Bader Field sign, I see 3 Rings ! Ballentine Beer - The Beer That Made Newark, NJ Famous ! Well at least until 1971 when the brewery that was by the CNJ's Brill Yard closed.


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    Mark,

    Using it as a hazard never crossed my mind. That is a brilliant idea though.

    Every time I stop by I want to listen to Springsteen.

    Robert

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    Robert, I hope you share what you've got - nit pickers be dammed. I understand how discouraging it is though to get blow back though.
    Christopher

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    Default UPDATE 12/29/2019 "Everything dies baby that's a fact" Remembering a place in time.

    Work has continued this week on the greater Atlantic City area even as my "C:" drive decided to hurl its soul into the great void. That drive only contains my W10 OS, nothing else. A rule of thumb for me ever since the "XP" days is to make a clone of my disc drive containing my OS & to keep a separate drive or drives for games & programs. Lucky for me I had a brand new 1TB drive I cloned a few weeks back with my OS on it. So unplug & install, a few registry fixes & I was up and going.

    Making up Atlantic City of the late 1960's to early 1970's is a step back in time for me. Though I was real young (Almost 6 the first time I was there) at the time, I do remember it dearly. It's best years was behind it. The big grand hotels on the boardwalk were closing or closed and in great disrepair. Boardwalk grand hotels like the Traymore, Ambassador & Senator & others were closed, The Marlborough-Blenheim (My personal favorite along with the Traymore), Chalfonte-Haddon Hall & Mayflower were just a shell of what they were from the 1910's to late 1950's. As the auto & Interstate Highway System took families away from the more local recreation of Atlantic City & other NJ shore beaches. The town like others fell into disrepair. By the late 1960's crime increased almost 1100% in "America's Playground". So how am I going to recreate this on his version of the route? By reflecting a lot & a little help from a whim that came to me which I will explain later in a post tomorrow.

    The main area of AC I been working on is around the terminal. This is the "Eye-Candy" of where you arrive or depart that is main to the route. The "proper area" is about 55% done for building placement & close to 45% done total before moving west. For the outskirts of town west towards Ventor & Margate then north towards Brigantine I will use Snappers v2.1. This will fill the areas perfectly for what is needed here. Just might have to add a taller apartment building or water tower into the mix to keep the skyline correct.

    I changed out the lights on the Thorofare Bridge on the ACE because they weren't MV or HPS lighting in that era. They were VHO Fluorescent Fixtures that were very popular in areas of NJ at that time. Streetlight were either fluorescent or still incandescent which I put in also. Traffic lights were the Crouse-Hinds "Cabled" style for the longest time (Even into the begining of the casino era) & were yellow bodied. They even still had some real old (I mean old !) ACME Traffic Regulator stop signals working into the early 1970's. Mostly around the terminal area. Lucky the incredible Tim Muir made a set of these that is available at the ET library so I can stay a bit more prototypical of the era with these.

    Once all the little details are put in, the scenes of AC in the 1960's-70's era will come all together. Plus I am making multi carspawners (THANK YOU ORTS !!) so the traffic in the areas are correct.

    So here are a few screenshots to show what is being done between the holiday festivities.

    Coming in one the Atlantic City Expressway. The dwellings to the left are low-income housing that the state put in during the early 1960's.

    The same scene only at night. The 1960's style Fluorescent highway lights I found on a Italian MSTS download site and are perfect for this era.

    Along the south side of the terminal looking east towards the boardwalk & Atlantic Ocean.

    Mediterranean Avenue looking south near Railroad Park

    Baltic Avenue looking east, Railroad Park in the foreground left.

    Same view only at night with lighted details.

    A few more night scenes around the same area.



    View looking east towards the boardwalk from the former Atlantic City Railroad's ROW. "Hotel Row" is starting to come together. Within the cul-de-sac in the foreground will be where part of Atlantic City Electric Co. will be located. You all might have a deed to it because it also is known as the "Electric Company" on the Monopoly board.

    Same scene taken at night. Of all the famous piers that made the city famous. Looking straight out would put you around Central Pier. The famous Steel Pier would be north a bit more (Left). And the Million Dollar & Steeplechase Pier to the south (Right).


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    Mark,

    I had to do a double take to figure out if those are ORTS or real life.

    This update is going to be a huge improvement to this interesting route.

    About those low income houses, I wonder if they have that dreadful solid core aluminum Romex cable that caused so many problems during the 60's and early 70's? https://www.nachi.org/aluminum-wiring.htm I've only ever come across a couple places that have that stuff still in service. Not fun to work with.

    Robert

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    Quote Originally Posted by NW 2156 View Post
    About those low income houses, I wonder if they have that dreadful solid core aluminum Romex cable that caused so many problems during the 60's and early 70's? https://www.nachi.org/aluminum-wiring.htm I've only ever come across a couple places that have that stuff still in service. Not fun to work with.
    Most likely they did when initially built. I remember that being a huge problem in the late 60's into the 70's. I actually ran an electrical supply house in Brick, NJ from 1998 until I moved up to North Jersey in 2000. I use to have one electrician come in who was a former union electrician in NYC who told me he worked on retro-wiring the WTC in NYC from 1976 to 1979 because they used aluminum in both the towers. I heard so many mega horror stories from that era. You still can use aluminum for a service either in conduit or SEU cable here. Like a 200A service you would use two 4/0 & one 2/0 cables. That is compare to using copper at two -2/0 & one 1/0 & almost triple the cost, in pipe, 4 to 7x the cost. BUT code along the coast of the NJ shore, if you are building or retrofitting your service, you can ONLY use copper for the service because of the salt water & air. I seen aluminum service cable break down 8 months after installed in a home on the bay. Mostly every town within 15 miles of the coast uses CU for the services since 1980.

    But I was thinking Robert. If they used aluminum Romex, I am sure then there loadcenters were Federal Pacific back then too. You remember them , right? A 15A single pole breaker that would trip at 24 amps ! The brand was known as "Firestarters". We sent out & tested a 100A bolt on main by them for one of the concessions on the boardwalk in Seaside Heights and the damn thing tripped at 175A and exploded. Needless to say I sold him a Square D new service
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    Hi Mark,

    Absolutely stunning work - sir - like your nostalgic aspect as well...

    Keep at it...

    I can't wait for ORTS to support more than one light source...

    Regards,
    Scott

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    Most likely they did when initially built. I remember that being a huge problem in the late 60's into the 70's. I actually ran an electrical supply house in Brick, NJ from 1998 until I moved up to North Jersey in 2000. I use to have one electrician come in who was a former union electrician in NYC who told me he worked on retro-wiring the WTC in NYC from 1976 to 1979 because they used aluminum in both the towers.

    Hi Mark,

    Interesting tidbits of history. I never knew the WTC used the aluminum during it's construction. Makes sense though based on the time period.

    I heard so many mega horror stories from that era. You still can use aluminum for a service either in conduit or SEU cable here. Like a 200A service you would use two 4/0 & one 2/0 cables. That is compare to using copper at two -2/0 & one 1/0 & almost triple the cost, in pipe, 4 to 7x the cost.

    Yes, Aluminum is perfectly serviceable for that application here too. Aluminum service entrance cables are perfectly fine and are almost always preferred because of CU prices. Done here, we install the same cable for stoves, dryers, Central A/C and electric furnaces.

    The type of cable and the alloy it's made out of is not the same as the solid core stuff. Interestingly, the solid core stuff did change the alloy in 72. The later aluminum cable wasn't as bad as the early stuff. But the damage to the reputation was already done.

    The cable it's self wasn't necessarily the problem. It was the receptacles and light switches that caused the majority of the issues. Some breakers also caused termination issues with the cable. The screws being made of steel on several of them had a different expansion and contraction co-efficient from that of the cable. The aluminum expands and contracts a lot more than copper wire.

    Even today the whole thing has to be pigtailed with copper using one of the approved methods. I still have my doubts about these methods of connections to aluminum though. Décor style switches don't come rated for AL cable. So when installing them, copper pig tales have to be used. And for peat sake, Purple Twister wire nuts are not the correct way to make these pigtail connections. They have a horrible rate of burning up. Alumiconn connectors or Copalum Crimping is the only two methods that seem to work. The later being the most ideal of them all. A permanent crimp pigtail that is sure to hold up. The Aluminconn connectors I have doubts about the screws staying tight over time.


    BUT code along the coast of the NJ shore, if you are building or retrofitting your service, you can ONLY use copper for the service because of the salt water & air. I seen aluminum service cable break down 8 months after installed in a home on the bay. Mostly every town within 15 miles of the coast uses CU for the services since 1980.

    But I was thinking Robert. If they used aluminum Romex, I am sure then there loadcenters were Federal Pacific back then too. You remember them , right?

    Mark, They are the work of the devil I swear. Those damn things are pure evilness. They still show up in homes and trailers done here in the South. My friend in California tells me almost every older home has the FP panels and the Aluminum wiring. Most of it is still in service too.

    A 15A single pole breaker that would trip at 24 amps ! The brand was known as "Firestarters". We sent out & tested a 100A bolt on main by them for one of the concessions on the boardwalk in Seaside Heights and the damn thing tripped at 175A and exploded. Needless to say I sold him a Square D new service [/QUOTE]

    Yup, Those things are just plain pure evilness. Square D is my preferred choice too. My own mobile home has a Westinghouse panel and all copper wire thank goodness. The panel is still original Westinghouse. But the Breakers are all Square D now.

    Robert

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    Quote Originally Posted by NW 2156 View Post
    A 15A single pole breaker that would trip at 24 amps ! The brand was known as "Firestarters". We sent out & tested a 100A bolt on main by them for one of the concessions on the boardwalk in Seaside Heights and the damn thing tripped at 175A and exploded. Needless to say I sold him a Square D new service
    Yup, Those things are just plain pure evilness. Square D is my preferred choice too. My own mobile home has a Westinghouse panel and all copper wire thank goodness. The panel is still original Westinghouse. But the Breakers are all Square D now.

    Robert
    Funny Robert but when we moved in here in 2000, it was my father-in-law's house. I plugged in a lamp and I blew a breaker. I went to ask him where the service box was and I almost lost my mind. The is a house, a 3 family house with a garage in back and he had a 60A FPE MAIN LUG panel with 6 SP breakers & 2 DP breakers in it & no main breaker disconnect !!!! I was like that is it & an not dying here !! Next day when I went to work, I bought myself a new 200A main breaker 40 circuit SQD QO panel, a 200A meter pan, 200A SEU and all to goodies to go with it. My best friend is a licensed electrician in NJ and that weekend we changed the service. I said to my F-I-L how the hell did you have a CO for this house. Even more so, how the hell did you ever get insurance for it !!

    Since then we rewired about 85% of the house too. It had that old BX cable with the old style plastic insulation so that was another disaster to happen. I sleep better at night since 2000 changing it over.
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