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    Quote Originally Posted by MMSS View Post
    Both have their limitations actually.

    Track wise the Blue Comet Lines Route has more of the original 1900 era track design into the passenger terminal while the PRR-ER has the 1920 to 1967 (The end of service to the terminal) era design with the scissor throat. The PRR-ER has a much bigger freight yard that was just to the south of the passenger terminal though nu-prototypical. The BCL route has a bit of the Lehigh Valley's carfloat yard that was adjacent to the passenger terminal & the Morris Canal.

    The Communipaw Engine Facility (On the west end by the terminal throat) is more prototypical with the twin turntables & roundhouses, sanding & coal areas on the BCL route while the PRR-ER only has a roundhouse-turntable adjacent to the terminal tracks. Both don't have the south yard or coal dump dock & yard or the National Docks (LV) trackage.

    I do favor (Just speaking for myself) the BCL route because it does have the massive industrial infrastructure along all of the Hudson waterfront down to Bayonne, plus the same along "Refinery Row" from E'port to Perth Amboy (Today's Chemical Coast Secondary) which the PRR-ER lacks.

    Also the PRR-ER is lacking a lot of industries & sidings along the CNJ's track on the route. Well after all, it is a PRR route. Even on joint tracks like the NY&LB, the PRR-ER is missing a lot of sidings & industry & major ones like the Lily Cup Company in Holmdel. Plus the BCL has a lot of historical lines like the Tuckerton RR, PRR's Camden & Long Branch from Whiting to Bay Head Jct. & the CNJ's Seashore Branch from Matawan all the way to West End where it reconnects with the NY&LB again. The route also contains the CNJ's Barnegat Branch.

    If switching the CNJ or LV on the Hudson waterfront one likes better, then Teemu's Jersey City & Newark route is even a bit better than the BCL. The freight yards are bigger for the CNJ & LV and is based on the 1970's. Plus there is the National Docks trackage along with the LV's Claremont Terminal. This is a great switching route of the NJ Hudson Waterfront featuring the CNJ, LV, EL (Erie or DLW also), HBS & PC (PRR & NYC also). This was basically built as a switching route more than a passenger one.

    I know I gave more info than asked but hope this helps.
    Thanks for the info!

    I asked due to having just installed the Blue Comte Route and having seen it's version of the Communipaw shops, it seemed to be a bit on the empty side compared to the screenshot posted by Singalmaster of the Terminal on the PRR east route.

    I'm kind of use to high detail scenery from having played some of the newer train sims. ^^;

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    Quote Originally Posted by stlsf4003 View Post
    Thanks for the info!

    I asked due to having just installed the Blue Comte Route and having seen it's version of the Communipaw shops, it seemed to be a bit on the empty side compared to the screenshot posted by Singalmaster of the Terminal on the PRR east route.

    I'm kind of use to high detail scenery from having played some of the newer train sims. ^^;
    No problem. That is why for the update to the BCL route here with the author's Steve Durham's blessing. When it came out in 2012, it was made basically for MSTS, the upgrade will be made with OR in mind. The Jersey City Terminal, Atlantic City area & terminal will completely be overhauled as well as everything else on the route. So if you like the run the CNJ in 1974 or maybe NJ Transit in 2002, it will have the look & feel to it. Plus some people I talk to from here like doing NJ Transit fantasy runs. So they will be able to run say a fantasy run from the Jersey City Terminal to Atlantic City taking the old route of the Blue Comet & have the modern feel to it. Or run a Conrail drill from Bay Head Jct. to Seaside Park, they can with the same.

    As you can see by the few screen shots I put below here & in the beginning of this post in January. The JC terminal area is in the very early stages of the rebuild but already has a lot more detail to it. it will have the look & feel to it just before abandonment in may 1967.




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    I contributed all the New Jersey/New York trackage in the PRR route. It was minimal because the route’s design theme was mainline train running. Plus, the already enormous size of the route, the people putting it together didn’t want to blow it up beyond repair. The Jersey Central terminal track plan was not the one I sent to the project. I haven’t been building routes for a few years, so I went back to find what I had designed. The attached shows what the original plan was for the terminal throat and platforms. It has nearly all the 20+ platforms. I did some work on the concourse with what I remembered from being there when it was still operational (1964-67, the years I was in college riding the Seashore trains).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Signalmaster View Post
    I contributed all the New Jersey/New York trackage in the PRR route. It was minimal because the route’s design theme was mainline train running. Plus, the already enormous size of the route, the people putting it together didn’t want to blow it up beyond repair. The Jersey Central terminal track plan was not the one I sent to the project. I haven’t been building routes for a few years, so I went back to find what I had designed. The attached shows what the original plan was for the terminal throat and platforms. It has nearly all the 20+ platforms. I did some work on the concourse with what I remembered from being there when it was still operational (1964-67, the years I was in college riding the Seashore trains).

    Hank (Signalmaster)
    That is true Hank. The terminal yard throat on the PRR-ER is more of the modern version until the end of service in 1967. The double scissor like in the first photo you posted shows it. I remember taking to some former CNJ employees at railfan events held at the terminal in the 1980's that maintenance was hell on it.

    The trainshed is huge and was the biggest of Lincoln Bush's design at 317, 850 sq. ft.. Though in real bad shape these days, it is a wonder to still see. And by the last 2 screens you posted, you hit the nail on the head for the concourse & trainshed of the 1960's
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    Beautiful, Hank

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    Default *** update 04/04/2019 ***

    Working is still on a steady pace on this version of the Blue Comet Lines Route. Between doctor visits and testing, still getting quite a bit done.

    I did mention in a general photo post on here I did make a major "OPPS" and yes I did and it was about Diamond Road in the Whiting section of Manchester Twsp., NJ. Diamond Road got its name because of the CNJ/PRR diamond by the train station there. In the early 1900, there was even a diamond for the Tuckerton RR crossing the CNJ (Then the NJ Southern RR). But being the road is actually where the diamond was, I have to improvise a bit with the historic track in place. So Diamond Road is now close to where it actually is along with Station Road.

    Lot of scrub pine and been install too along with birch & oaks which are native to this area of the pine barrens. I included a lot of dead birch trees that still stand there from a forest fire back in the summer of 1970.

    To the east just south of where the TRR had a facility is Crestwood Village, a retirement community that back in the early 1970's was built along with many in the Whiting area. I am using Snappers here because it builds up the area nicely and will have a nice lower item count in the tile too.

    I included some screenshots below. I am kind of tired of playing in the pines so I stopped here just south of Lacey Road and going to start working a bit on the CNJ Seashore Branch starting in the Highlands area. When I have enough to show what is done, I will post some shots here again.

    Diamond Road to the left looking east towards the Barnegat Bay on the PRR

    And the same looking west towards Camden


    Some views of the Southern Division running through the pine barrens in Whiting



    Just some fun runnin' between work




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    Looks great. You brought back some childhood memories for me as my great-grandmother lived in Crestwood Village. Whenever we we go to visit, we would go out to lunch or dinner. She had a favorite diner not far from her house (can't remember the road it was on or what it was called) but we would also sometimes go eat at a restaurant in Whiting...right near the railroad tracks. The tracks ran behind it, IIRC. Always remember hoping to see a train, but too young to know or understand that the line wasn't being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMSS View Post
    Working is still on a steady pace on this version of the Blue Comet Lines Route. Between doctor visits and testing, still getting quite a bit done.

    I did mention in a general photo post on here I did make a major "OPPS" and yes I did and it was about Diamond Road in the Whiting section of Manchester Twsp., NJ. Diamond Road got its name because of the CNJ/PRR diamond by the train station there. In the early 1900, there was even a diamond for the Tuckerton RR crossing the CNJ (Then the NJ Southern RR). But being the road is actually where the diamond was, I have to improvise a bit with the historic track in place. So Diamond Road is now close to where it actually is along with Station Road.

    Lot of scrub pine and been install too along with birch & oaks which are native to this area of the pine barrens. I included a lot of dead birch trees that still stand there from a forest fire back in the summer of 1970.

    To the east just south of where the TRR had a facility is Crestwood Village, a retirement community that back in the early 1970's was built along with many in the Whiting area. I am using Snappers here because it builds up the area nicely and will have a nice lower item count in the tile too.

    I included some screenshots below. I am kind of tired of playing in the pines so I stopped here just south of Lacey Road and going to start working a bit on the CNJ Seashore Branch starting in the Highlands area. When I have enough to show what is done, I will post some shots here again.

    Diamond Road to the left looking east towards the Barnegat Bay on the PRR

    And the same looking west towards Camden


    Some views of the Southern Division running through the pine barrens in Whiting



    Just some fun runnin' between work




    ​Enjoy...…..

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    Quote Originally Posted by kknobl View Post
    Looks great. You brought back some childhood memories for me as my great-grandmother lived in Crestwood Village. Whenever we we go to visit, we would go out to lunch or dinner. She had a favorite diner not far from her house (can't remember the road it was on or what it was called) but we would also sometimes go eat at a restaurant in Whiting...right near the railroad tracks. The tracks ran behind it, IIRC. Always remember hoping to see a train, but too young to know or understand that the line wasn't being used.
    My mom lived in Crestwood Village also after my dad passed away, she lived there from 2005 to 2013 until she passed also. She lived on the far end from the CNJ tracks on Chelsea Dr. . But across from her was the ROW of the Tuckerton RR that was still plain as day. At points walking along it were still embedded ties that funny the sand preserved in ways. And just up a bit was the PRR's Camden & Long Branch ROW which JCP&L use as a powerline branch coming from the Oyster Creek Nuke Plant in Forked River. Now with the NJSL cleaning & making updates to the Southern Division for if the Gateway Project gets underway, It will be interesting to see activity on the line. Last time I seen it there was around 1988 when Clayton Sand tried to run sand trains from Woodmansie, but with the track so bad, they gave up on it...… until now.
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    Default ***UPDATE - 4-13-2019*** Keyport & The Seashore Branch

    KEYPORT, NJ - "The Gateway To The Bayshore" & the true begining of the CNJ's Seashore Branch from the NY&LB connector. After the induction of Conrail, it was known as the NATCO Secondary until the branch was embargoed in late 1983 until formal abandonment in 1985. Today it is known as the Henry Hudson Rail Trail that run the length of the branch from Keyport to Highlands, NJ. Future hopes for the trail is to include the full length of the CNJ's Freehold Branch from Matawan to Freehold, NJ.

    I started working on this part of the route to take a break on the Southern Division because a man can play "Johnny Appleseed" so much planting trees . I didn't start at MR Tower, the junction where the CNJ's Seashore & Freehold branches connect to the NY&LB but started just east of Lappatatong Creek at U.S. Route 35. This is because the Garden State Parkway (GSP) is right after the branch begins heading towards downtown Keyport. And for the 1968 - 72 era I am not sure when the Parkway began or completed the inner "Express Lanes". I believe they began around 1972 but getting info on it from someone I know at NJDOT. But want to be sure which stage I need to build there before I start.

    So I did begin to work on it at the Route 35 trestle last night replacing the old 2 lane highway it was into the early 1960's. I made it the 4 lane highway it was (2 North & 2 Southbound lanes) it was from the early 60's into the early 1990's). Just south of the trestle is the interchange for the Parkway at Keyport where RT. 35 splits wildly with an exit for the GSP. The 6' safety fence on the trestle does go back to the CNJ days. The trestle was major "shortcut" for trespassers for years crossing the highway along with the trestle crossing Lappatatong Creek for heading west. Just got done making some custom signs for the roads in the area & will continued later today as long as the rain continues around here as it should. I included 2 before-n-after photos below I will post more as more work is done.

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    Nice! I love the way the bridge looks with the security fencing. Don't see that too much in our routes.
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