Activity Editor - Issues Loading Traffic in Simulation

[ekeating]

All,

I have recently started using TSRE in an attempt to make new activities. So far my first impressions of both the consist and route editor are extremely positive. The interface and overall construction of both programs are far and away superior to the original MSTS AE. Through some playing around in the activity editor, I've been able to find most of what I could do in MSTS AE.

There is, however, one issue I have come across. I have made an activity with some AI traffic, including a train that is to spawn right before the simulation starts a couple miles from the player spawn location. The activity itself loads fine into OpenRails. However, the AI train that is supposed to be near isn't showing as active in the route when I start the simulation. It is only the player train. Based on what I can tell, there aren't any issues with paths or consists that would interfere with the AI train spawning.

The TSRE version I'm running is 0.6958. Any tips or suggestions to alleviate this issue would be much appreciated!

EK

[R. Steele]

The only help I can offer, is to check the log...when AI trains don't spawn, OR usually has something in the log.

[ekeating]

Gerry,

Below I've copied some details from the OpenRails log. I'm not seeing anything specifically related to AI traffic, but maybe it can shed some light on issues.

"------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --------
Mode = activity
Route = MLT's Roger's Pass
Activity = EKRP - CP 302 (C:\1MSTS\ROUTES\RogersPass\ACTIVITIES\EKRP - CP 302.act)
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --------
Loading TRK TDB SIGCFG DAT ACT RDB

Warning: Track node 37 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\1MSTS\ROUTES\RogersPass\RogersPass.rdb:line 283

Warning: Track node 54 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\1MSTS\ROUTES\RogersPass\RogersPass.rdb:line 408

Warning: Track node 75 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\1MSTS\ROUTES\RogersPass\RogersPass.rdb:line 559

Warning: Track node 78 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\1MSTS\ROUTES\RogersPass\RogersPass.rdb:line 580

CARSPAWN SIGSCR W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) WWWW ENV SIGCFG SIGCFG TTYPE

Warning: System.InvalidOperationException: Category does not exist.
at System.Diagnostics.PerformanceCounterLib.GetCatego rySample(String machine, String category)
at System.Diagnostics.PerformanceCounterCategory.GetC ounterInstances(String categoryName, String machineName)
at System.Diagnostics.PerformanceCounterCategory.GetI nstanceNames()
at Orts.Viewer3D.Popups.HUDWindow..ctor(WindowManager owner) in E:\Documents\Coding\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Popup s\HUDWindow.cs:line 94
at Orts.Viewer3D.Viewer.Initialize() in E:\Documents\Coding\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Viewe r.cs:line 410
at Orts.Viewer3D.Viewer..ctor(Simulator simulator, Game game) in E:\Documents\Coding\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Viewe r.cs:line 311
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.GameStateRunActivity.Start (UserSettings settings, String acttype, String[] args) in E:\Documents\Coding\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Proce sses\GameStateRunActivity.cs:line 315
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.GameStateRunActivity.<>c__ DisplayClass35_0.<Load>b__3() in E:\Documents\Coding\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Proce sses\GameStateRunActivity.cs:line 160
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.GameStateRunActivity.Load( ) in E:\Documents\Coding\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Proce sses\GameStateRunActivity.cs:line 200
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.LoaderProcess.Load() in E:\Documents\Coding\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Proce sses\LoaderProcess.cs:line 158
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.LoaderProcess.DoLoad() in E:\Documents\Coding\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Proce sses\LoaderProcess.cs:line 138
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.LoaderProcess.LoaderThread () in E:\Documents\Coding\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Proce sses\LoaderProcess.cs:line 109
at System.Threading.ThreadHelper.ThreadStart_Context( Object state)
at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(ExecutionCon text executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state)
at System.Threading.ThreadHelper.ThreadStart()


Warning: Unable to access Microsoft .NET Framework performance counters. This may be resolved by following the instructions at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/300956

Information: Allocation for 87,500 particles:

14,000,000 B RAM vertex data
2,100,000 B RAM index data (temporary)
14,000,000 B VRAM DynamicVertexBuffer
2,100,000 B VRAM IndexBuffer

TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLWWWSSSSSSSSSSWWWW WSSSSS TRP(default) S(repeats) SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSWWWWSSW S(repeats) S(repeats) SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS$WWWWSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSWSSSSS$WWWWS WSSSSSSSSSSSS$WWCS

Warning: 4 missing Stream(s) in C:\1MSTS\trains\trainset\SLI_CP_ES44AC\sound\..\.. \MC.SND\MC_ES44V4\K5HLL_ES44ACcab.sms:line 313

Warning: Expected depth 0; got depth 2 at end of file (missing ')'?) in C:\1MSTS\trains\trainset\SLI_CP_ES44AC\sound\..\.. \MC.SND\MC_ES44V4\K5HLL_ES44ACcab.sms:line 536

CSSCSCSCCSCCSCCSCCSCCSCCCCCSCCCCCCCCCCSCCCCCCCCCCC CCCS

Warning: Cannot find C:\1MSTS\trains\trainset\SLI_CP_ENGINES\ car sound file ..\..\Audio_Shack_Sounds\FDL12_OpenRails\Alias\GEV O-12_Eng.sms

Warning: Cannot find C:\1MSTS\trains\trainset\SLI_CP_ENGINES\ car sound file ..\..\Audio_Shack_Sounds\FDL12_OpenRails\Alias\GEV O-12_cab.sms

C(repeats) CCCCCCCCCS

Information: Game.ReplaceState(GameStateViewer3D) GameStateViewer3D

Loader: Time = 00:00:11.1870140 ms
Loader: Expected = 67,054,071 bytes
Loader: Actual = 67,139,549 bytes
Loader: Difference = 85,478 bytes (0.1 %)

Information: Ignored missing animations data in shape c:\1msts\routes\rogerspass\shapes\milepost.s

Information: Ignored missing animations data in shape c:\1msts\routes\rogerspass\shapes\speed.s

Information: Game.PopState()"

EK

[ekeating]

All,

Following up on this. I think I may have found the culprit. I was playing around with the activity editor and noticed that traffic will populate in the route only if there is at least one static consist in the activity. I'm unsure if this is actually a "fix" or what. But for the time being I'll take what I can get.

EK

[R. Steele]

All,

Following up on this. I think I may have found the culprit. I was playing around with the activity editor and noticed that traffic will populate in the route only if there is at least one static consist in the activity. I'm unsure if this is actually a "fix" or what. But for the time being I'll take what I can get.

EK

I've never heard of that...most interesting...will have to investigate this.
I don't think this should be so, working traffic should not be dependent upon the presence of loose consists...don't you agree?

[ekeating]

I've never heard of that...most interesting...will have to investigate this.
I don't think this should be so, working traffic should not be dependent upon the presence of loose consists...don't you agree?

Gerry,

Come to think of it I don't think I explained it 100% accurately. It looks like the .trf file wouldn't save in the activity until there was at least one static consist showing. I'm unsure if this is actually due to some counter-intuitive logic within the editor (seems to the the word of the week) that wouldn't let the .trf file save within the editor or some other root cause. But for the time being I'll write it off as a quirk.

To your initial point, I agree wholeheartedly. Animated traffic shouldn't be dependent on static objects.

EK

[Winterhawk76]

I ran across this thread while doing a search for help to resolve a similar issue. I have been attempting to add AI traffic to an activity but cannot seem to do so. The activity functions perfectly when I open the sim...PT spawning in the proper location & loose consists positioned correctly on sidings & spurs. The AI traffic that I have created appears in the Traffic Editor under the Service Info: File Name & Display Name. The consist & path have been used numerous times in this current activity and in other activities, so there is no inconsistency there.
I may be wrong, but it seems like the problem may be associated w/the Service Editor in some way The reason I say that is that I have added the new service, but when I open the editor & highlight the name of the service that corresponds to the activity, the new service does not appear in the "Used by" window at the bottom right of the service editor window. Neither is there a check mark next to the new service in the "Name" window in the upper left when I highlight the service that corresponds to the activity. I have spent more time that I want to admit trying to figure out how to get the activity to recognize the new service, but have yet to do so. So I'm wondering if there is any reference doc or site where I can find a good step by step approach to adding AI traffic.

I have no problem creating activities in the RE or paths in OTRS Track Viewer, but the add'n of AI traffic apparently is beyond my reach @ the moment. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Hawk

[ekeating]

I may be wrong, but it seems like the problem may be associated w/the Service Editor in some way. The reason I say that is that I have added the new service, but when I open the editor & highlight the name of the service that corresponds to the activity, the new service does not appear in the "Used by" window at the bottom right of the service editor window. Neither is there a check mark next to the new service in the "Name" window in the upper left when I highlight the service that corresponds to the activity.

Hawk,

I've noticed this too when creating trf files. TSRE seems to not like modifying existing trf data. If you're not seeing the check next to the "used by" its not going to load into the sim. I've noticed that saving, closing the RE, and re-opening sometimes does the trick. If that doesn't work, do this:

1. Write down all your traffic data separately (word doc or something similar)
2. Remove the current trf file from the activity, save the activity, and delete the old trf file.
3. Restart TSRE and create a new trf file, putting all your data in in one time.

When I did it, it worked. You can restart TSRE and open the service editor to confirm. I've noticed that traffic is the only one that has this issue. Editing existing services doesn't cause any problems.

Let me know if this helps!

EK

[GokuMK]

Just follow the instructions. Always reselect traffic in activity properties when it is modified. And all your issues are gone.
Simulations does not use trf data, but use the data from .act file. If you don't reselect traffic, activity data is not updated.

[scottb613]

Hi JM,

Hah - my apologies - but it really is easier to work in the forum where others have input - now you've got it straight from the guy who created it - and I can confirm that does work - that bit me for a while when I started out with TSRE...

Also - I have activities without static consists that have AI traffic - so I do not believe a static consist is required...

Regards,
Scott