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    Default Virginian Route in progress.

    Friends,

    Simon Van de Laak started this route and did a great job detailing the area
    around Mullins, WV and Glen Lyn, VA. Then he passed it to me to complete
    and I have added quite a lot, and more recently have started detailing it.
    There are many areas, especially where roads and tracks are parallel &
    close, that will require berms, or walls, to separate the levels.

    I'm probably going to have to redo the catenary in Princeton and use
    "no droop" catenary. Also it will be noticed that supports can be seen
    on either the inside or outside of curves. VGN use steel supports on
    concrete foundations that did not require guy wires, so the support
    can be on either side correctly.

    Attached are a few images. The VGN motors and battleship gons are
    in the library. The caboose has smoke coming out of the stove pipe
    too. I especially like these motors. They even have a random bright
    arc or flashover at the pantographs.

    Jerry Sullivan
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    Jerry,

    Thanks for continuing to work on this route. I know I’ve said it before, but my grandpa spent many great years working for Virginian as a car inspector at Page, WV back in the 30’s -50’s. Really am looking forward to seeing this route completed.
    Steve Burr, PE - Clinton, MD
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    As you probably know, Page was a major engine terminal back in the day, and supported
    nearly all the equipment used to service mines from there north to Deep Water, and
    south to, and including, the Oak Hill area. Now, there is practically nothing there
    except a loadout that gets it's coal by conveyor from an area 2 or 3 miles to the east and
    you cannot find an remnant of the engine terminal although I suspect it may be buried
    under the coal loadout equipment and such. I haven't had anyone volunteer to create
    modern mine structures except Simon, so right now, I am looking at using those from
    in the jrmine items in the library that go way back to around 2003, and creating some
    myself - which really takes time.

    Jerry

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    Cool Further Progress

    Here are 3 images along the N&W as the Powhatan Arrow heads east. For the
    activity creator knowledge base, consider this. When there was a issue,
    derailment, etc. on the N&W anywhere between Kenova, WV and Roanoke, it
    was possible to detour a N&W train over the VGN. In a Kalmbach book on the
    Virginian, there is a image of a N&W passenger train on the Clarks Gap
    grade.

    If there was a derailment between Kenova & Wharncliffe, a train could detour
    over the C&O from Kenova to Deep Water, and then over the VGN to Mullins
    where it could take the line from there to Gilbert where it connected with the
    N&W line to Wharncliffe, thus getting back on the Pokey. Or if the problem
    was between Wharncliffe & Bluefield the detour could be Wharncliffe to
    Mullins, to Matoaka where it could then proceed onto the N&W branch to
    the Pokey Main.

    J. H. Sullivan
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    Yeah, sad. I never saw Page in its glory days. Remember passing through as a child and wondering what all the fuss was about that my grandad worked there at one time. The tracks are also gone from the White Oak Branch to Oak Hill, and the C&O line from Oak Hill to Glen Jean and all the tracks back into the old mines between Oak Hill and Dothan. The old mine towns are still there as well as the slag piles left behind when the mines closed
    Steve Burr, PE - Clinton, MD
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    I have included at least 3 of the old towns near Oak Hill. Lochgelly & Summerlea are there. I can only guess, from
    topo maps, where the mines actually were, but they will be close. Not near there, but I have also included 3 mines
    on the Glen Rogers branch. One is "Bolt" which was in use until relatively recently, and then Glen Rogers and one
    other. Slab Fork mine is present, and two mines on the C&O branch past surveyor, also the new mine on the
    CSX line just south of Eccles. I am also including both Eccles 5 & 6. Then there are several mines on the branch
    north east from Mullins to Beckley. I haven't counted them, but I will before putting out the specification. Since
    it is easier to fine detail a route before linked items are placed, my plan is to simultaneous release the route without
    signals etc. in the "incomplete" category, and then the full route in the usual directory. Expect that late this
    summer. Right now, I am almost to Walton on the N&W with the sub-ballast. I need also to add the tracks to/in
    the Radford Arsenal.

    J. H. Sullivan

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    Default Powatan Arrow at Walton, VA

    Let us imagine that the train seen in earlier posts has negotiated the line
    along the New River and rounded the north leg of the wye at Walton. Now
    it is getting into the teeth of the grade up to & through Christiansburg
    which culminates just west of the Montgomery Tunnels to start downgrade
    into the Roanoke River valley.

    After negotiating this #15 crossover to set up on the EB main, our engineer
    will have the reverse down in the corner, sanders on, throttle wide open to
    accelerate the train. It will not be long before the sanders come off, and
    the reverse is dropped back toward center to about 50% cutoff and the
    speed will sharply increase.

    For the newbies, I have a few hours of throttle time on the SR-4501 from
    some 50 years ago and so what I state above is not fiction, but likely
    what would happen. Come see me sometime on the Cumbres & Toltec
    Scenic, where I volunteer as a docent a few weeks a year as long as God
    allows it.

    J. H. Sullivan
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    Colleagues,

    Elsewhere I have mentioned a error in two areas of the route that crash MSTS to desktop but are
    not detected by TSRE or ORTS. I haven't heard from Lukas lately and he is the expert at finding
    esoteric odd problems, so if I don't hear back by the time I finish the 1st version of the Knoxville
    Division (L&N), I'll continue with the Virginian, using TSRE to place objects in the affected areas.
    As track and roads are in place, there should be no need to mess with those.

    I have tried that new error function in TSRE but it produces no message or error indication and I
    assume I am using it correctly. Perhaps someone can further enlighten me (and all of us) on the
    correct use of it.

    J. H. Sullivan
    (aka landnrailroader)

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    Hi Jerry,

    I've been wondering if you've heard from Lukas? I've been trying to get in touch with him for a short while as well.

    Robert

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