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    Talking Great British Rail

    This is the new Tory wonder railway idea. Good for a laugh and nothing else. Privatise the profit, nationalise the debt.

    https://assets.publishing.service.go...n-for-rail.pdf

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    Great British Railways sounds quite gammony. It's not even being renationalised, the whole thing sounds more like Transport for Wales, where it's still being operated by franchises albeit with the services and trains all looking uniform and running to a centrally-determined timetable.

    Like the jab about the "cottage industry ...of delay attribution". What's wrong with lots of snapping back and forth and demanding x minutes be split out and/or recoded, eh?

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    Had a quick skim through the document, trying to see if any reference to pension arrangements for retired staff, though I would hope these are protected. However I have sympathy for those still at work including my former colleagues as changes to pensions for active staff though not mentioned will undoubtedly feature at some point and not to the advantage of scheme members.

    As to the rest, well we will have to see what happens - standardised traction will make life easier for DTG (!) as they can put out one route after another with the same train. There should certainly be a universal coupling type as it was always a bit of a nonsense that a loco couldn't assist a modern unit at least not without an adaptor coupling as a last resort, or that a 175 can't couple to a 158.
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    Transport For Wales, is completely owned by the Wales Government.

    This tory abortion is going to use public money to maintain the infrastructure.

    But still allow the services to be run by any tom, dick or harry who fancies a go.

    The amount of tax payers money that is going to be pumped into GBR, is shameful.

    Compared to the way BR was starved of finances and willfully brought to it's knees.

    To suit tory dogma about nationalised industries, being failures.

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    Isn't that their intention, though, to have it like the original TfW arrangement, where you have government-branded services that are actually being run by a private franchisee? Though they have yet to confirm this, I picture it as all the trains painted in GBR livery, but depending on where you are, they are still being run by someone like Arriva or MTR.

    We have something of a similar arrangement here in Ontario, where GO Transit (GO stands for Government of Ontario) is run by the provincial government, but they subcontracted the actual train crews... first to CN, and now to Bombardier Transportation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haverfordwest View Post
    This is the new Tory wonder railway idea. Good for a laugh and nothing else......
    Well, Mike.....I started laughing when I got to the second page and read about the new typeface, and how all signage across your rail system will be changed to use Rail Alphabet 2.

    There's a good way to spend taxpayers money; change signs which don't need changing!

    I didn't bother reading any further after that.
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    BR failed because of being starved of investment,poor management and meddling by government.I have not read the document,but I am sure it will be a mess.
    I am no socialist,I believe in free enterprise,but the present and proposed arrangements will continue to divert taxpayers money to other countries rail networks and private companies.The railways should be run for the benefit of the country,not foreigners.
    "sectorisation" and the splitting off of freight from passenger ensures the latter will not make a profit because the freight cross subsidises the loss making passenger services and reduces the marginal costs.It also gives greater flexibility of crewing etc,
    Before EWS "sectorised",they had flexibility of use of crews and traction.After it,I was once delayed over an hour waiting for a "Construction" loco to be available despite a perfectly good non "Construction" one sitting in the holding sidings which was still there when I finished the job.I pointed out this folly to management and forecast the business would suffer;now Freightliner have the work !

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    Of course the other crazy thing about these re-organisations, of which I went through many during my 40+ years in the rail industry, is that nothing really changes apart from maybe a few names at the top. The same people drive and signal the trains as before, the same people compile the plan and timetable - you cannot just replace experienced and qualified staff on a whim. No doubt there will be the usual skullduggery of bringing in less favourable contracts under the threat of redundancy, as happened when National Express took over Wales and West from its first bus operator owner. Take off two days annual leave and require staff to work an “event” day with no overtime payable... That kind of thing.
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    It's always some clown in a suit, that comes up with these brilliant ideas.

    Some clueless norman with too much time on his hands.

    If we have trains with great british railways emblazoned along their sides.

    I am going to pee myself laughing, everytime one goes by.

    Yesterday i read we can look forward to bloody trains built in Spain for TFW from 2023 (Class 197).

    I vaguely seem to remember we built our own loco's and rolling stock for over 150 years.

    Tories put an end to that as well, demanding cheap as chips, not UK quality.
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    The GBR plan sounds a lot like how many of our commuter (suburban) railways are run here in the US. For example Boston where the local transport agency MBTA contracts out the commuter rail to Keolis. It has been a mixed bag, usually a lot of finger pointing when something goes wrong as it inevitably does when you have outdated equipment and deferred maintenance on track and stations. It is notable that probably the best run commuter operation in the US is probably Metro North in the New York metro area where the agency runs its own trains without any contractors.

    Jon

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